Core parts of the Vickers mk7 were used in the development of the Challenger 2 such as the Hunter Killer system, and gun mantlet among other bits
man vickers mk.7 was so good that the german seized the export law
I swear every time I come in here it’s either British/Indian vehicles talk or conspiracy theories, there’s no in-between
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If someone sticks to a tech tree for bs reasons they forfeit any reason to complain about suffering.
I only feel bad for people that are nation mains because they don’t have time to grind more trees.
So All 3 Typhoons should have a bad radar because I only play Britain?
So All 14 harriers should have quite major bugs left unfixed because I only play Britian
So All 11 Tornados should have placeholder FMs because I only Play Britain?
So all 20? (CBA to count them) aircraft with BOL should suffer because I only Play Britain?
I really dont get your argument and besides im arguing AGAINST adding Su-30. Mig-29, Rafale, etc to the British TT, not advocating for them. The argument of “play multiple TTs” is stupid in regard to not wanting multiple TTs in one.
What I want is aircraft like the Hawk, Jaguar GR3A, Harrier Gr9A, etc etc. Not some knock-off Hunter F1.
Maybe when we were left to rot for 12 months in 2023, that argument would have been semi-reasonable, but given we still do not have additions like the Harrier Gr9A that would have been competitive or the fact the Tornado F3 is still a shadow of its full potential, the argument “britain had nothing” falls flat on its face
A few parts off a great tank doesnt make the tank that cannibalized it a good one though.
I’ll die on that hill, aint a way my opinion on that will change.
The point is:
They did. They adapted the parts that were very good when developing the CR2.
and the Challenger 2 would be a perfectly competitive if not even fun vehicle if Gaijin put even half the effrot they did on other nations into fixing its bugs and modeling it correctly
and thats the hill I will die on.
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I am working, very slowly on a suggestion for this ship. But the WoW’s version is an adaptation with a fantastical extra turret that never existed. Also not sure why the 3" guns are in single mounts not twins.
adapted part =/= same tank.
And sadly the british tank design died with the centurions, they were doing fine, inventing an entirely new tank class but then bunged it up on the next simple and logical step.
I’m just saying. If someone mains a single nation for reasons that aren’t time constraints they shouldn’t make constant “X nation suffers” posts/comments.
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It’s definitely a shame that the UK didn’t simply make its own hull after the Germans banned the export of theirs. It’s not like it wasn’t doable, the UK had just made a new hull for ENT and Shir (well thats technically half chieftain which is the damn problem).
The British Army was never going to be allowed adopt Vickers Mk.7/2 over Challenger 1, which I don’t think is a bad thing as Challenger 1, for its time, was phenomenal in the turret, and didn’t lag so far behind on the hull that it was a huge issue.
But Vickers MK.7/2 definitely had more growth potential and fit the idea of MBT80 better, perhaps could later have replaced CR1 rather than CR2. Ultimately CR1 and 2 was picked out of cost, more than anything. For CR1 it worked out, CR2, less so.
I think Challenger doing so well for the age of its design is more a case of it being lucky that the supply lines, quality of individual technologies etc was so good. Rather than the design itself being good.
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Cuz thats not Mintaur. Thats Edgar, it adds 1 more turret, replaces the 3 inch with OTO (Le Orla gun) and adds limbo.
This is WOWs Minotaur
I don’t like to admit it but Chieftain upon entering service was the best tank in the world. There’s isn’t really much debate on the tanking side of things in that regime. But Chieftain lasted too long in the Chieftain form, and much too long after it got recycled into Challenger’s 1 and 2.
and I am of the opinion it means bugger in terms of getting bug reports fixed.
BOL fixes for example would be a huge buff for Britain, but the nation that would benefit probably the most is Sweden.
Wait do WoW’s add straight up fake ships?
Because the OTO 76 did not exist in the same timeframe as Minataur or even Tiger given that’s the super rapid variant?
It would help the US a lot if their planes that actually used BOL pods IRL would get them in game…
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That took you a while to realise. It is one of the most modern ships in WOWs, dated 1975.
They have many fake ships.
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that’s a fairly wild one, mostly because the T-64 also existed. but it’s kinda pointless to talk which one was the best since both east and west had different tank doctrines.
It would, there is a debate that some like the F-15 have a huge internal supply and dont need over 1000 extra CMs.
but even just the aircraft we have in game right now with BOL, Viggen and Gripen would hugely benefit from the buff
I think most evaluations led to that conclusion, certainly essentially every evaluation I have read not just limited to British and American ones either but a German one too in the original German. But I agree the doctrines would play a factor. Attempt to use a Chieftain under Soviet doctrine and it will show you what a fat, unreliable pig of a tank it is/was.
I don’t like the Chieftain in fact the only British MBT’s I like is CR1 and Vickers MK.7