Or add comparable SPAA to other trees.
Gaijin would want the update to come out before Christmas
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I don’t think Pantsir is OP.
I think everything everyone else has is UP.
Pandora’s box has already been opened. The solution isn’t removing Pantsir, it’s adding equivalents to others ASAP.
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Agreed. I do not think they would ever remove it.
Im operating off of the fact that Gaijin themselves had said before. That there isnt much else for other nations. If that is truely the case; then you either need to buff existing SPAAs to perhaps a fictional level than what they are capable of, or you remove the one trouble vehicle causing the issue in the first place. It should have never been added in the first place and its acceptable to own up to that and remove it.
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respectfully your vendetta against this vehicle is both unwarranted and full of just blatantly incorrect information.
The Pantsir is not a “problem vehicle” in fact it was 100% warranted and justified due to the state of top tier CAS. The “PROBLEM VEHICLES” are those top tier jets that warrant this level of AA power. People want equivalents to the pantsir because they don’t want to be behind, but that’s not the Pantsir’s fault. If the Pantsir wasn’t in the game and Russia was stuck with the Tunguska, the same problem would exist only difference is your scapegoat (the pantsir) wouldn’t be around to point the finger at.
The problem is the jets, you’re just trying to make it seem like the pantsir is the problem when it’s not.
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You are right. It should not have.
Russia should have just been given Tor at the same time as China, and this whole CAS arms race would have never happened. Pantsir was completely and totally unjustifiable when Tor model literally existed.
But that’s not what they did. They added Pantsir. They broke the balance of CAS vs SPAA. They fueled a CAS arms race. They justified the addition of increasingly crazy CAS, and now we find ourselves where Pantsir is not OP - it’s the bare minimum required to counter the threats that Pantsir itself justified adding.
As i said, Pandoras box is opened. We can’t go back. We can’t remove Pantsir and pretend nothing happened. The damage is done. Counterparts is the only solution. Those counterparts do exist, and every update the snail fails to add them (For a year and counting) is just pouring fuel on this fire.
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You make it sound like the Pantsir being added triggered this issue when it’s existed since before the Pantsir?
the Harrier GR7 already meme’d on top tier SPAA since before the Pantsir and the Mig-27K was doing it LONG BEFORE that. Once again, stop using the pantsir like a scapegoat.
The pantsir is a problem vehicle in the sense that only 1 nation has it/a counterpart, which in itself creates a balance issue.
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All of the craziest, current top tier CAS is post-pantsir.
Yes, GR7 & Mig27K were strong, but F16C / F15E / SU-34 are absolutely leagues ahead of them.
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It absolutely is the problem if it is the only vehicle with such capabilty and no equal or counter. As stated before, it is the only SPAA with the ability to immediately see just-spawned air craft.
Moving all CAS to runway takeoffs is a band aid fix since again, we can see that its the only SPAA with a 50km range. If you cannot add something equal to it, buff everything else to the same level, then leaving it in can’t be the solution. It should not have come to the game before everyone else got something comparable. And Gaijin has stated numerous times there isnt much else.
I say remove any kinds of markers whilst in an aircraft. You want to bomb some tanks? Better get close and take a hard look or pay an extreme SL bill.
We have that, it’s called Sim Battles. Though I’m all for removing missile markers at Air Realistic Battles.
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Do we have any theories/consensus over this?
https://www.reddit.com/r/Warthunder/comments/1h5jd54/old_leak_but_what_do_you_think_of_this_eu_sub/
I’ll do you one better…take out enemy markers too
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I can’t even think who would get an EU subtree.
All the EU countries ingame have 5 lines already.
More Iberian / Balkan stuff in Italy maybe?
Danish / Baltic stuff in Sweden?
Here we see the problem with the mindset you all have. You focus on the pantsir and not the real issue.
But ill humor your train of thought.
So the Pantsir needs to go because of the gap between it and the 2nd best SPAA (Ito)
But if we do that… now the Ito has an equally massive gap between it an the ADATS, so we should remove that next… but wait Japan and Israel dont have SACLOS SPAA so we should just bring everyone down to IR SPAA level.
See the issue? You dont remove the pantsir, you instead ask for others to be pulled up to your level. Removing the pantsir benefits air players and only hurts ground players more.
As for the “imbalance” argument. There is far worse instances of imbalance among nations than the Pantsir, yet you guys either choose to ignore those-
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Again, we have this. Its called Sim Battles. At this point, and I’m not 100% against it, just have Arcade and Sim Battles. Just change the name to Realistic and get rid of the faux-realistic mode.
Ah yes remove the most popular mode in the game. Surely
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