Arguably, but given we are not getting a single Pantsir counterpart this coming update based on the leaks, meaning our next hope is March 2025, thats two whole years without a counterpart. Two whole years without a nerf.
I can’t remember anything else enjoying such a period of unaltered dominance. Even in peak 2A5 hell, at least the snail had the sense to nerf it’s reload. Meanwhile here, If anything, they’ve indirectly buffed Pantsir since launch thanks to ammo boxes lol.
The pantsir is by FAR the best SPAA in game, and the only counter against CAS, because CAS at these br’s have 12km+ range weapons, which only the pantsir can counter.
Despite that, it has guns, good guns, and still get scouting, despite other spaa’s not getting scouting when having a gun… E.G. Sidam
HQ-17 might be the first SPAA that matches the capability of Pantsir, although it depends on how Gaijin will implement it. It should have more range than Tor-M1.
I am in favor of Gaijin exploring more options for other nations, as I believe that the Pantsir’s advantage is pretty big compared to other SPAA.
I’d say that at 11.7 onward, CAS is so OP that no SPAA in the game is close to their equal.
Pantsir was late to the game by months, SPYDER is late to the game by almost 2 years now.
@KhorneFlakez1337
Oh wow, Pantsir can frag helicopters slightly faster!
Also Pantsir can’t deal with high-aspect air to ground munition launches anywhere close to effectively, only low-aspect [low-altitude] air to ground munition launches.
@ExecutivOutcomes
The only reason to compare SPAA to SPAA are CAS mains that love never dying and don’t want new SPAA added to WT.
War Thunder needs SPYDER equivalent SPAA, and it won’t get it if people keep lying that Pantsir’s OP/enough/god.
according to the ZA-HVM post it could potentially get ARH/IR LOAL missiles, they still wouldn’t have the range but they would be more flexible
Those still are massive advantages over the competition though…
Arguably the ZA-HVM is close, but even then the pansier has like another 2 & a half km on it iirc? (14.5 KM vs 18 KM)
First time ever agreeing with you Alvis.
at least you can lock onto helicopters… The Tan-Sam needs to be at around 3km distance because of the IR seeker.
It can shoot GBU’s out of the sky because it can track them.
No, its because Russia gets a counter to long range CAS (12km+)
Missile of HQ-17 is stated to have 15 kilometers of effective range.
Ah I am not familiar with Chinese kit so honestly forgot about that one lmao
So you agree that every nation should have its own Pantsir counterpart if not more?
The thing with Pantsir is, it actively drove a CAS arm’s race. It constantly fueled ‘We need better AGM!’, ‘We need better GBU!’ type additions to counter Pantsir.
And now, we’re at a point where CAS has gotten so ridiculous even Pantsir can struggle, which means all the other SPAA which is far worse than Pantsir, doesn’t have a hope in hell.
Pantsir equivalent SPAA will mean that CAS never dies and continues being OP.
And the only people that realize this are CAS players that DO NOT want CAS to be unkillable anymore.
We need SPAA at least as good as SPYDER since February of 2023.
Only low-aspect. High-aspect and the speed + verticality makes hitting it impractical.
Also Soviets have no counter against long range CAS in War Thunder currently. They have no SPYDER equivalent SPAA at this time.
@ExecutivOutcomes
No, Pantsir equivalent is a toxic narrative that protects CAS.
War Thunder needs SPYDER equivalent SPAA.
Nah, it’s fine.
So Britain and China are getting SPAA that are somewhat close to the Pantsir’s capabilities this update.
I wonder when we can see that for other nations.
Anyway, there’s a billion topics discussing Pantsir / CAS.
To spiral back to R&R, what is everyone most excited for this update based on the list?
Is this not addressed in the
referring to better SPAAs than the Pantsir
J-10B, J-11B
Eurofighter F.2
Aren’t like half of these planes unarmed?
Imagining DC-3 players flying around, just head-larping that they’re dropping non existent para’s lol.
