I could be wrong but the Abrams has slightly less pen than the Ariete.
In that case the Abrams still wins, because the BVM only has 1 or 2 effective advantages over the M1A2 at most, maybe 3 if you are generous.
I do better statistically in my 11.7 Ariete premium used at 12.7 than both of you in a lot of your top tier MBTs, so I agree with this point though.
Precisely.
I remember someone’s argument to claim that the Abrams was OP was that some YouTuber uploaded a 10 kill match with it.
That same YouTuber also uploaded a 10 kill match with Ariete PSO, but funnily enough, I never saw anyone use that video to claim that Ariete PSO was OP.
Almost like those results were player-determined and not necessarily vehicle-defined.
So… applying the same logic to both instances, according to them, this would make Ariete PSO OP, unless using double standards.
It’s basically the same pen all around, which doesn’t change the point in question: if your only argument to judge a tank is based on the player’s potential to not whiff shots WHILE not getting RNG’d in the proccess, I have a case to sell you:
Guess which is practically the only nation with a positive win ratio at top tier. And this trend ratios have been more less the same since the times of the first batch of multi-vehicle SPAAs, or improved mavericks, or Air Superiority, or even the first SEP being introduced.
I refuse to believe you think Russian players are a super breed.
Their balance is perfectly asymmetrical;
T-80BVM over Abrams:
-Frontal armor protection
-Side armor protection
-No turret basket module.
-No Hydraulic Pump nodule.
Abrams over T-80BVM:
-Gun elevation and depression angles.
-Penetration.
-Rate of fire.
-Reverse speed.
Each basically has 4 pros and 4 cons against each other; T-80BVM’s emphasis being on being stronger and more survivable, and Abrams’ emphasis on being more flexible.
I didn’t mention one-hit killability because it’s just equally inconsistent in both cases xD
In an asymmetrical way, they are quite balanced; except the majority of players will have a much easier time achieving good results by casually playing T-80BVM, while Abrams’ potential can generally be exploited only by the best and/or most patient players willing to put on great effort to overcome its weaknesses.
Only on the hull, the BVM turret is laughably easy to pen.
However this discussion got shut down here earlier today, not sure if we want to get another warning here.
The turret pennable surface area of BVM is MUCH smaller than the Abrams mantlet, let alone whole center of mass turret neck, though.
Oh, I missed that! Then time to abandon ship xD
To whoever said we might see an Indonesian AMX-13-75 for Japan…
Yeah, the more I think about it, the more it makes sense. Especially because it’d be in exactly the right BR bracket to allow Gaijin to retire the Ho-Ri Prototype.
Then lets hope it’s an SM1 upgraded model with upgraded engine, transmission, suspension and some more minor changes.
Would be nice to see since it is an Indonesian exclusive version of the tank, but probably still close to the same BR since it’s only a 20hp difference in game.
HE for the m61 is great. I would also add APDS for the 6Pdr,
I saw the Cromwell well low in rank II and is just not it. Easily a 4.3 tank with the APDS round. Or add another variant.
i just wish japan have some saclos spaa
even if it’s starstreak 
we do have A LOT of AMX-13 variants
as well as turkish modernization for the future (rumors of 40mm autocannon)
but im genuinely going to crash out if its only the 75, the 105mm is right there, a “unique” addition, and you only need to use the DF105 turret on an AMX-13 chassis, couldnt be that hard
Where’s amx 13 GTI? Need my Schnitzel amx 13
No you get Elde part 2 and another artificial nerf to the cv90s like no scout drones because the crew brought the wrong charging cable
I’ve done one of those in the past
Gripen D gotta go down in BR
Guys, so as Nuclear Thunder is coming back, and in the future more stratigic bombers could come, it have some opinion to say : First and last: we need a bomber rework. You cant simply play a bomber / stratigic bomber with out its proper protection (ECM) without dying to fast fighters and missels. (SCALOS guidence)
im sure everyone who plays Japan can agree with that, but, what spaa could be that? also, try putting this in the specific topic about Japan techtree.
is there even any images of that thing? I’ve never seen one before
Nope nothing that I could find I’m still looking for more primary sources and enough secondary I’m actually getting ready to email kmw and probably a few others to try find some documents to be simple tho it was just a amx 13 with a new suspension system and road wheels nothing too special but it’s a unique German variant
