The problem now is that i’m really addicted to this mode. Even against other CAS aircraft there’s this unwritten rule of “i try to kill you with a IR missile,if we both fail we go on out separate ways like nothing happened”. Moreover,the chill of choosing which target to strike or to nuke and not worrying about being the first to get the nuke and nuke other airfields, it’s majestic.
So right at the beggining you can see me setting Point of Interest to the approximate location of the S-300 site. Use this picture for reference.
Once within 30km (in the video I was too close around 20km and almost died to S300 as a result) zoom climb a bit up until you see the site and place Aiming Points as fast as possible
Once you placed all the aiming points on the radars and launchers, Salvo Launch all your GBU-53 and immediately start evading
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Kh38 are litterally not usable in NT they can only target unprotected targets, wich means someone has to kill the saclos sams protecting the targets, job at wich the kh31 are also nearly unusable as the minimum launch range is basically the same range at wich the SACLOS sam turn on theyr radar.
Did yiu even try using kh38 in NT ?
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They all get intercepted.
I am very tired of repeating this, if you did not try those weapons in nuclear thunder you should not talk.
The first thing i do every nuclear thunder event is try every a2g weapon against different targets and with different approaches.
No redfor weapon work against current ground targets.
Only the kh31 work against LR sams and ships, but now you have to use the kh31pd exactly how you would use an agm88c, getting really fast and really high and firing inside 30km to the long range SAM or do a pop up attack also inside 30km.
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you could’ve gotten that amount of RP just by bombing a single base. pathetic…
If they wish to have more participation they should consider adjusting the economy around it.
Btw all Trash-25 variants with R-73 should go over 12.0 BR in that mode. Same with A-10s with 9M. And in general they should tier planes with regards to what armament they get.
I don’t care if a MiG 23 is faster , if the 39 has missiles that reach longer, IRCM , R-73 etc.
Not only , but it can really make 3 nukes in one pass … like wtf…
Nonsense.I have about the same effectivess with Kh-29TD as with GBU-53 when attacking ground targets. They both get shot down extremely easily by SHORADS, but GBU-53 very often misses anyway so it doesn’t matter you have a bit more of them.
No A-G weapons work for any side. Also Kh31PD is limited now to 30km launches yes, but it can still take out SAMPTs way quicker than GBU-39 can take out S-300.
2S6/Ito90 are the problem that makes CAS unrewarding and frustrating
I’ve literally tried out the weapons, I used the KH31 in the su30sm2 and my friend used the kh38’s in the su25sm3 (keep in mind this mean he was flying the su25sm3 at top tier) and he was quite literally 2nd place in the team from all the ground targets he killed with them. For my post I asked for his input and literally wrote what he said I.e. “they require line of sight so you have to fly high which can get you killed but other than that they work well” and, I cannot stress this enough the kh38s are in no way close to the same type of weapon as the JSOW or glide bombs, compare the kh38s with other line of sight missiles like mavericks, brimstones and Slam-ERs
Also using the kh31 like a HARM is literally such a bad idea. From my own experience, (so “if you did not try those weapons in nuclear thunder you should not talk.”, I can talk, yes?) they should be launched from further distances than the harms, since they go fast and fly to the stratosphere, they seem to rarely actually get intercepted, with the only real problem being they’re somewhat inaccurate (usually only giving a hit on the selected target) the HARM meanwhile, flies slow (compared to the kh31) and in a relatively straight like toward the enemy radar (it is a beam riding missile after all) I regularly have to fire at least 2 HARMS within 10km of a 2s6 to have any effect, usually more.
I’ll restate, the only problem I’ve found with the kh31s (both the naval and SEAD versions) is that their accuracy leaves a lot to be desired.
Also, please at least try to have a civil discussion instead of acting like anyone who has an opinion shouldn’t.
You’re probably launching KH31 from further than 30km so Mambas turn their radar off. One Kh31 is enough for one SAMPT radar if you lauch within 30km
Yea that’s what I assumed was happening, launching from within 30km is something I’ll keep in mind, i probably did that a few times without realizing and that’s the times I got kills.
The naval version doesn’t even require that tho, i just launched em basically straight off the airfield and still got a kill, on the carrier even
Let me be honest, Im having a blast playing this mode, yes there are some things that should be fixed and balanced but overall going to bomb AA or bases or ships and fight other jets is just sooo fun… I really hope this becomes standard mode. now imagine if they put in ground and helicopter’s , oh boy this game becomes untouchable.
Post the match results then.
Using kh31 is litterally rng, even from 20-25km the sampt can shut off radar and the inertial guidance is so overnerfed that will hit 5-10km away even if the radar is shut down in the final stage of the arm flight.
Kh38 get intercepted easily, you can only kill unprotected targets or focus on convoys always with rng results.
Using gbu39/53 and jsow you can wipe out anything that is stationary at any range and under every condition and guarantee success.
Why talk about things you don’t know? Launching kh31 from further than 30km will make the sampt shut off the radar.
If your opinion is factually wrong and you talk like you did things that you clearly didn’t then there is no point in having a civil discussion, this is a forum and you are litterally gaslighting honest conversations…
Keep in mind this is with the su25sm3 at top tier…
Also and that VERY IMPORTANT. When a dogfight happens. Make the TRASH of SAMs stop doing ANYTHING. Not only the crap on the few dogfights, but they go blue on blue as well… they are stupid.
That’s 1/5th the target i got with gbu39 , and nearly all were unprotected.
It was more effective at killing ITOs with guns than with kh38.
Definitely not even comparable. Those are 6-700 sp in the whole match and probably dying 20 times.
With gbu39, we talk about 1500-1700sp (20-40 targets) and die 3-4 times.
Basically, in the whole mathc fired 3 salvos of kh38, it did more damage with a single nuke than the whole match using kh38…
Maybe kh38 are viable in the 80s bracket, but definitely not in the modern setting, ITO just murder them .
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Absolutely nobody uses harms like that i don’t even think they use harms like that irl (getting within 30km)
My dude, its literally in the modern bracket, you can see the kh38 killing ITOs as well as targets that were protected (Depots, and convoy vehicles), and once again this is in an su25, which is way less capable than if you were to mount the kh38s on the planes that are actually supposed to be in the late era.
Anyway, heres my quick stint in the su30 using the kh31PD’s:
Keep in mind i dont play the russians much and dont have the SAMP and EWR sites memorized like i do when playing Bluefor. As you can see, the kh31 works fine. Granted i would probably have gotten more of em, but i died a lot to bluefor aircraft and dont have the sites location memorized.
And once again, I know the gbu39 and JSOW are good, but they are vastly different weapon systems compared to the the kh38 and kh31 and should not be compared 1:1. You genuinely cannot be complaining that a high speed IR/Laser guided missile isnt performing similarly to low cross section GNSS glide bombs.
Should Russia get a similar weapon to the GBU39? sure, i think it would give the russians more to work with. Are the JSOW and GBU39 way better than anything the russians have, not really, just different.
If you want a similar weapon try out the Grom-2’s since that would actually be similar to the JSOWs
that would be the UMPB D-30SN, which is just a smaller grom-2
