New player needs help understanding silver lions

Game Discussion Realistic Battle
14

You are missing the point. Listen me, I am a new player yes. Im telling you i feel cheated and fooled. I feel they mislead me regarding what i was buying. As a consumer i have the general expection from a free to play game that you get to play a limited version of the game for free. And if you BUY the product you get full access. Im sure we can agree on that right.

Now if i were to explain what war thunder was to a friend. I could summarize it like its an MMO with tanks and planes. You have different countries with unique vehicles which you can research by playing against other people. Theres tech trees where you can get better and more modern vehicles starting from early WW2.

Ive spent 90 euros on the game. I consider myself to have bought the game. I expected to be able to fully access the game before i made my purchase. Ive played 313hr so far and have had a blast. Part of the game is progressing up the tech tree yes? But now i have hit a point were playing my top tier tanks(br 9) doesnt let me make any further progress. What am i expected to do here you think? The only options i see are 1. buy silver for real money. 2. grind lower tiers for silver to be able to play higher tier?

Ive played sim ground for the better part of the day today. i started with around 100k silver and now im down to 40… and im not the worst player. I do get kills every round i do cap flag and all that stuff but still im not making any progress except research. Its not fun, its just demoralising losing progress. like whats the point of even paying for premium if it just locks you out when you reach high enough. And dont tell me i have to play lower tiers. I “bought the game” to enjoy and have fun, not to farm imaginary money for no fucking reason.

15

That’s hilarious I just last week went through a box full of my old games getting ready to toss them out laughing at the text books that came with them. Falcon 4.0 and the Armoured Fist series were in there.

1 Like
16

Teddy my man. I spent money expecting to get the full version of a free to play game and i was sold on the idea by them.

SL being a mechanic to stop bots is just a lie. Its to make money. Please explain what function losing silver(progress) have other then to make more money. Forgive me if you already knew this but the cornerstone of any free to play game is the 80/20 rule. 20% of player will be 80% of their income. Everything about their games is centered around this principle. Why do you think their prices are so absurd? Most player will maybe spend litlle money once in a while but whats earning the real money us people with lots of it.

I see what you mean about mindset but thats not a problem i have. I dont have a end goal. I want to fun and just play the game, i dont think thats too much to ask. I think its fun the play the vehicles i want to play. And if i get a new vehicle i would like to play that one. But now ive hit a point where i have to go back just to earn silver and i dont find that fun. It sounds stupid and fucking retarded.

17

You hit the same wall many of have, bit of advice ? Setup a couple presets at lower BR levels and just play, not so much farm SL’s as to really get your head around all the little quirks and tricks to this game. You’re skills get better, you make lions quicker, your crews gain experience quicker without the hard drain on the SL bank like playing the top tiers is designed to do.

Does help and you can select what BR level you want to play per game, more choices more fun.

3 Likes
18

But you have a complete wrong expectation of War Thunder then.

This isn’t DCS where you buy a vehicle and can start to master it, even most modern one.

But this is evident from the first minute spent in the hangar: you see those literally hundreds of vehicles, and only the very first and simple ones free to use, and one quickly understands that one has to play to gain research points and silver lions to both research “better” vehicles and purchase and operate them. And how to win and lose SL is very evident from the beginning as well, as all actions that give money are printed in big letters and numbers: “hey look, I killed a player and won 1200 SL by doing so!”. And at the end of the match you see the whole “receipt” of how much you earned and won (and how), and how much you spent, in the form of repair or ammo costs.

It’s all there, very easily visible, right from the start.

Where’s the scam here?

Of course you can purchase higher tier vehicles from the start, but what do you expect of them? That you quickly or immediately master them and excell at using them, with all those other players just waiting to get bested by you?

No, that’s not such a type of game, and it never was, nor was it never advertised as such.

BUT, what I really find very exciting, is that indeed all through the tiers, all betwen the different nations, vehicle types and game modes, you need to learn, you keep getting challenged, you never stagnate. And even after playing tank realistic in mid tiers for a week or so, then air sim high tier for a month, then you go back to the tanks - you will again need to get accustomed to the vehicles and gamestyle.

It never gets boring (in my personal experience), except if I myself chose to play always the same thing and don’t explore the vastness of the rest.

Only point I give is that when you purchase a high tier vehicle you’re not explicytly warned that you may face much more experienced players with such high tier vehicles, and thus as a beginner may struggle. But, sorry if I sound condescending - isn’t this obvious?

6 Likes
19

Wait what??? you think really you will unlock a full tech tree with 1 premium vehicle? you never play to a free to play … ALL free to play offer opportunities for buy bonues (here premium vehicles) but ONLY for help you in the grind … NEVER for have a god mode … And if with a premium hight rank you lose SL … well well well … I think you must go hard reading academy and seeing tuto on youtube for understand the game …

Ho, and you can inject 50 000€ in the game, you dont have any performance bonuses … Only RP and SL bonuses …

The only point with i agree with you is the informations can be more explicites when you buy a hight rank premium vehicle on possible disavantages for a new player.

2 Likes
20

For me it doesnt tell me the repair costs after the game. Where does it say?

I understand your point of view but im trying to tell you mine. Its not fun first of all and i feel tricked. If i want to play higher tiers i have to pay again. Can you see how that is kinda backwords. I understand the economy of skill(?) but to take silver away from players without informing them is borderline scam.

How i see it is. I bought premium hoping to get a full version of a free to play game. But to play higher tier you need to buy silver lions on top of that as a fee. Furthermore the in game currency have a paired value with real life money. So each time you play a round youre essentially playing for real money. And this is not properly explained to new players such as myself. Rather they do everything to hide the fact.

So ive payed money to get a head start or what ever yeah. And bam now i have to pay more money EACH round to be able to play with the vehicles i want to. I always thought you never could go negative after a round, at worst you could gain 0 silver. But you can and it seems like its impossible to play higher tier without losing silver. And like i said in my game it doesnt say what the repair costs are. It doesnt even say i lost silver after a round. Thats them taking REAL MONEY without informing me. That sounds like fraud to me, ofcourse its not but whatever. Can you understand how i see things?

I didnt actually buy a higher tier tank than i was. I bought the swedish 81 with the rockets, cuz i thought it was cool. and it was that you very much. Its just shame, i was having so much fun but now it just feels like ive been scammed.

21

Thats the point, you don’t need to buy SL. You earn it. Since top BR is quite expensive place to learn you have SL issues as it takes time to learn vehicles/maps. Players with gradually developed tech trees are in advantage as they can revert to lower BRs to earn SL easier. For me Obj 120 is my SL printing machine. Its very cheap to repair but gives lots of SL. Whenever I need some SL I revert to 7.3 and earn it.

22

Hey no need to be rude. No i did not buy a higher tier than i already was, which was 7. I bought premium to support the game and not having to grind as much i dont find that to be much fun. It is however fun to make progress! Getting new tanks and upgrading them, thats fun. I would like to play with the IFVs i have unlocked but that costs extra money on top of what i already paid for premium subscription. And that was never explained to me which is a huge bummer.

My understanding as for now is that there is no way to earn silver in higher tiers. So it will actually cost you silver to play higher tiers? And silver equete to real money, therefor i have to pay twice to play the game? Im i getting this right?

23

But what if i dont wanna earn them? what if i just wanna play the game and enjoy myself. I understand not gaining any silver yeah, but to lose them is not fun. Its shitty game design and they probably made it that way so people would buy silver. And im sure people do.

Does everyone just agree with this? I dont get it. Dont you see how predatory this game is?

24

Its very simple. You need SL to play the game and you have a choice how to do it. You can either earn it or buy it. Its up to you what will you choose.

25

Sorry, but if you keep loosing more SL than earning them, constantly, then something is way off with your gameplay. You don’t need to buy SL with real money unless you want a lot of SL in a short time and don’t know how to do it.

A maybe important aspect: you can chose to either auto-repair and auto-resupply, which will automatically repair your vehicle and fill up your used ammo, but doing so you lose control over this. You can also chose to repair and resupply on your own, and for repair just wait until your vehicle is repaired automatically.

Note that when in hangar, hovering your mouse over a vehicle will open it’s stats card, where you will find the vehicles repair cost, it’s repair time (in case you select to not repair with SL). And if you open your tech tree / research tree, you see two little check boxes in the lower right corner, one for automatic repair and one for automatic ammo refill. Check those if the repair and resupply should be done automatically, uncheck if you want to do so manually.

But can you maybe really just tell us what premium vehicle you purchased, and what game mode you play with it? How much do you earn with it? How much you lose?

26

What did you expect? That Gaijin is offering all vehicles and unlimited SL to anyone who has bought one or two vehicles and a bit of a premium account?

For the game: i agree, the informations on SL expenditure are not full easy to found . they are in economics messages (on the down right, the letter symbol). The games results will are soon updated with that all informations in 1 window.

i earn SL in 80% of my games even when i play in hight tier vehicles (rank VII and VIII, br 11.7). The reason? i dont have only 1409 battles on my account … I know whose the game works … I know where place my vehicle … I know when open fire … I know where aim … I know whitch vehicle engage or not depending on which one I’m playing …

But that, i doing many battles for learn it … And i dont come crying on the forum at the first annoyance …

27

And if you hadn’t come here to cry and shit on former players and were simply asking for advice on how to earn SL, maybe I wasn’t being rude to you.

1 Like
28

You have 2000 battles in ground and 600 battles in Air and you dont know how SL works? Nice bait…

29

When you are in the hanger, where you see your line up for that tier, in the bottom right corner you will see an envelope. If you click that, it will give you are break down of cost (SL) for that battle. Profit/lose statement as it were.
Battle costs

30

So from my understanding, you bought a 7.0 premium vehicle, grinded to 9.0, but started losing SL at 9.0 and your NEW PLAYER that don’t have the mechanics/skill/understanding down yet…yeeaaaaah Top Tier is a mess at the moment with repair costs and SL income. If your not premium and have constant unlucky/bad games, you won’t make SL but rather lose SL. Since your premium, you shouldn’t be losing that much, but rather earning a lot of SL per game… But since your new, you will not survive top tier yet until you learned your enemy tanks/planes weaknesses, good/bad spots in maps, know when to destroy tank’s barrel so you can live and have a chance to destroy enemy without worry he will fire back, mechanics etc…etc…these learned skills/mechanics will help you survive and carry games and will profit more SL. But you learn them from the playing rank 1 vehicles and through the grind. If you skip, just asking to be jumped on with no idea how to survive and lose SL. Premium will only give you a 100% bonus on SL and RP rewards every match you play and grind faster. You still need to earn SL regardless if your premium or not to play the vehicles you want. That’s just how the game is designed, it is a F2P game. Gaijin has to make money somehow. Your welcome to pay them by buying SL with real money, your money. Either that or learn how to earn SL by playing better, learning and using premium account to your advantage while it’s still on. Using a premium vehicle also gives bonus reward, so there’s that. That’s all premium is.

I shown this before on another thread but seems relevant to share it here too.
1111111
Image above, I am premium, didn’t use premium vehicles. However, I lost a big chunk of my reward due to repair cost and ammo refills. But that’s due to the amount of vehicles I used for trying to win yet was defeated. Kept 1,618 SL in total out of 56k SL earned.
1111111111
Image here, I died once, respawned again on 2nd vehicle and carried the game. I did well, won, repairs and ammo cost were minimal and kept 53k SL of 61k SL due to less vehicles used and surviving. If I were not premium, I wouldn’t make this much. Maybe would of earned around 30k SL and pocketed 23k SL due to repairs/ammo.
1111
This one, premium saved my SL and still earned 11,759 SL to keep even though I earned 36k SL. If i weren’t for premium, I’d lose around -3k SL or more at Br at 9.0+. This was a bad game, but I had worse ones where I died a few times with 0 kills or anything then I truly lost around -20k SL. Worst matches.

You make SL by destroying players, getting achievements during battle, capturing zones, and not dieing and winning etc… 0 deaths = no repairs. You get a bonus % on SL if you win a match as well. Premium is also a booster for rewards. If defeated, you go home with decent SL or almost empty handed or with -SL instead.

To find out the receipt on how much you made total, check here:
Bottom right corner, click on the envelope, open then click battles at the top of envelope. This may help.
111111

11111111
111111111044×838 79.5 KB

31

Why are you defending them? Im telling they are being deceptive and youre telling me that im being unreasonable. WHEN BUYING PREMIUM ACCOUNT I EXPECT TOP HAVE FULL ACCESS TO THE GAME WITHOUT SPENING MORE MONEY. I dont think im being unfair here. What i didnt expect was that playing high tier cost additional money. As i wasnt at all introduced to that idea.

Losing silver is losing real life money. That makes sense for players that doesnt have premium. But if you have bought premium i dont expect you to have to pay more just because youre not a huge fucking nerd that memorize every fucking little thing aobut the game.

My point is simply, why the fuck im a losing silver (and again thats real life money) when i have premium. It doesnt even have to be that im a bad player. There are several factors that are out of my hand. For example, i just played a game died once and when spawning in the second time i gettting bombed to bits 20m outside of spawn. Yeah excuse for not being a pro gamer that can look into the future.

Another point what incentive do i have to ever by premium membership again when there is zero benefits. I know premium doesnt give you the whole tech tree. But i expect to be able to play the whole tech tree without spending more money when i reached top tier. And just to reiterate, taking silver away from players for simply playing the game is the exact same as there being a fee to play.

I know you probably dont get a lot of new players here on the forums. But i would get that most players dont expect to spend 2000 hours and 300 euros to play with a modern tank.

32

Where does Gaijin say that this is the case?!?

What a premium vehicle or premium account does is clearly explained, juts your wishful thinking that it should be something more is just that: YOUR wishful thinking.

Yoiu can very well progress through the ranks without ever touching a single real dollar, and I guess it’s probably the majority of the players who play the game exactly that way.

Getting premium vehicles and premium time only speeds up the research progress, as you earn more SL and RP whilc (in most cases) spending less for repairs. ONLY THAT.

But again, and for the last time: WHAT VEHICLE HAVE YOU PURCHASED AND WHAT ARE YOUR ISSUES WITH IT?

2 Likes
33

I do earn silver some games but then i have a couple of bad games or just games where i get sniped by a heli, then spawncamped by a jet bomber. You know,…

i checked and the repair time is two weeks. Because that makes sense how? i have given them my fucking money, i just wanna play the game and enjoy myself. I dont wanna play a business simulator. That aspect makes sense for the free part of the free to play game but it is not acceptable if youre a paying costumer.