@이승만
Your post has trolling in it, AKA provocations in the form of insults.
None of my posts have provocations, thus no trolling.
The post you replied to is exclusively evidence showed with WTRTI.
I made zero statements toward your character, nor did I critique your post directly.
Posts that resort to insults in the face of evidence can be dismissed without further evidence.
Yes, keep make your own ridiculous insist without considering any other condition.loke sustain turn. I don’t know why you defend on Tomcat so much(especially in WVR), but I really have to tell ya this thing.
I can’t talk to you anymore because you’re disgustingly unruly
@이승만
I am not defending F-14A, I’m presenting facts in the form of evidence.
It’s up to you and I to come to conclusions based on those facts.
Calling War Thunder players insults is far more disgusting than posts presenting evidence.
I’ll keep respecting everyone, not sure why your posts can’t have the same…
Adding R-77 on MiG-21 Bison was rejected because the picture can’t be a trustworthy source
The R-77 issue got acknowledged, images aren’t sources for what a aircraft can carry and was very understandable. A trustworthy source is simply either a primary or two secondary sources and nothing else.
Yeah the facts you made on your own with your own arbitrary judgment?
Such as…
SUPERTEMP is better than AIM-54?
F-14A doesnt have “countermeasures”?
F-14A got retarded RWR?
while J35XS doesnt even have one and mirage f1s, USSR jets got worse,
And F-104S ASA got worst one in 12.0?
MIG-23’s aircraft performance is better than f-14?
I think you are trying to over defend F-14A and i think the reason is because you have
got some illusion that thinks tomcat is bad, or in worst case i think, you also got asperger syndrome about tomcat
Yup. I know that. I heard that Gaijin failed to cross-check the source before and ‘almost’ added JDAM on F-4EJ Kai. (Thank god that it didn’t happen on the live version)
So I am quite disappointed about not giving R-77 on 21 Bison, but it is an understandable move.
But, at THIS time. Gaijin is trying to add R-27R1 according to the photographs. Feels disappointing even more and looks like a double standard for me.
I see alot of people still arguing with AlvisWisla, is he still accusing people of harassment because he isnt allowed to win the argument?
Does he usually make such a ridiculous insists in forum like this?
Then I just wasted my time at 3
am…
He wasn’t the one to debate from the beginning
1- SuperTEMP accelerates faster than the slug that is AIM-54, and for <20km it just better.
2- F-14A indeed only has 60 countermeasures; the exaggeration being “no countermeasures” when most of its compatriots have 90+. Not “zero countermeasures”, just an exaggeration cause 60 is no where close to ideal.
3- F-14A, F-104S ASA, and F-4J all have equally bad RWRs; and J35XS lacks one entirely. F-14A and F-4J being 12.3 and 12.0 respectively.
4- This was shown with photographic evidence of WTRTI readouts. It’s not my take, it’s me repeating what WTRTI is giving me in data.
None of these were refuted cause I supplied evidence for each, and is a fact accepted by the vast majority of the WT playerbase that discuss these vehicles.
@Belenor85
Keep claiming thousands of WT players are wrong; and keep insulting others cause you “can’t win the argument”.
Ok, I admit the mistake of my remarks. I tried to express F-14A>F-104A>J35XS, but I misrepresented it. But don’t forget the same mistake you claimed there is no RWR on 11.3 earlier
He’s always like this, has even claimed that gaijin has never artificially nerfed anything.
It was exaggeration for which I apologize for using.
I was likely too passionate in the moment of typing and I shouldn’t allow myself to exaggerate as often as I do.
I also apologize for any further misunderstandings between us.
It is not my intention to upset you or anyone else; and I feel emotional pain when I see others stressed.
Not my claim.
My statement was “Outside of ammo reloading; there are no balance decisions outside of BR changes.” which is a fact backed up with evidence.
Historical reports are addressed and implemented when the code is ready to be put into the live client; welcome to game development.
Artificial means without evidence/documentation, and nerf means a change of one state into another in a negative direction.
An “artificial nerf” would be Leopard 2s going from 6.5 seconds to 7.1 second reloads, which did happen at one point, which I always acknowledged.
Mig-29 getting a borked flight model because of one source is not an artificial nerf, it’s a nerf based on bad data/implementation.
Sir I wasn’t planning to dive into this fight but
Am I quite late for diving…?
Not equally,F-4S and F-14As RWR is same(nog exactly, but in game)
But F-104S ASA’s RWR is the worst one in the game
It doesnt tell you where the enemy is,what range is,whetwr enemy is locking on you.
First,AIM-54 is ARH missile.which means tomcat can just randomly spam AIM-54s and guide them using DL,and AIM-54 can hit almost 45km target, but as you said,lets consider 20km AIM-54 versus SUPERTMEP fight which is me and most of tornado players not complaining about tomcat,
Because its not usally gonna happen
But lets consider two aircraft fired supertemp at exact same time same speed same alt
AIM-54 goes into self track mode in few seconds and tomcats can just go back and run away
Then there are two options for tornado.
One. Try to shoot down pheonix with. SUPERTEMP
Two. Do beam maneuver which will take decades for tornado
If you seriously think Tomcat is at a disadvantage in this fight, you might be defending it because you have Toxoplasma that Tom"cat" infected. Go see a doctor.
My thought process behind that is “If it can’t see all the AAM bands, can’t see direction, OR detect launches. It’s just equally useless.”
Might not be the best conclusion, but it’s mine cause I like to simplify things into usefulness for BVR and furball management.
@이승만
Notice how I only state that F-14A is the ones with flaws.
It accelerates as-fast as Tornado F3, climbs to 10,000 meters as-fast, and gets to mach 1.4 as-fast.
F-14A in a fuel consuming environment dogfights worse than MLD, about as well as 23ML.
F-14A of course has superior weapons which is why it’s 12.3 instead of 11.7.
F-14A of course out-energies Tornado F3 which is why it’s 12.3 instead of 12.0 or below.
F-14A has a better RWR than Mig-23ML, and worse than Tornado F3.
Those facts don’t change no matter our perspective.
I’m not saying anything other than F-14A is fine where it is. I oppose it dropping in BR as much as I oppose it increasing in BR.
F-14B has better AIM-54s, better AIM-9s, better RWR, and obviously vastly superior engines. It’s clearly far better than F-14A in every way.
And EJ Kai is the same speed as F-14A, dogfights only slight worse, gets 30 more countermeasures, AIM-9Ls, a better radar, and a better RWR… at the same BR.
Evidence for EJ Kai:
F-14A:
Again, I am not saying F-14B couldn’t be part of a new decompression scheme, I am and only ever talked about F-14A.
So according to your false-accusations, I’ve only “defended” the A variant, not the B.
In reality, I’ve been attacking the A variant this entire time.
Basicly same in game, A’s might be even better, because theyre lighter
Btw, fun fact that A faster and turns better(30min both), but way worser energy retention
First off: Weapons dictate the BR of aircraft.
Second:
Historical weapons aren’t artificial, nor nerfs.
Weapons are 1- Proven by manuals, manufacturers, and/or multiple photographs. Thus NOT artificial.
And 2- Weapons dictate the BRs of vehicles thus are never “nerfs”, especially since weapons have only ever been removed in extreme circumstance, and when removed they were always replaced with better weapons: Gripen C losing Skyflash for AMRAAM.
So aircraft having historically accurate weapons are never artificial, and obviously never a nerf.
Increasing of BR can be a nerf to the aircraft itself if the airframe only has 60 countermeasures.
Four of the planes we were discussing in that thread have weapons they never carried, one of them has a missile that gaijin made up (pl5c). So no that’s not historically correct that’s artificial.
Then, AIM-54A might be better than the AIM-54C in flight characteristics thanks to their lighter weight, but the AIM-54C also has some advantages Thanks to smokeless motors.
Am I correct?
