Depend which helis because against the new Chinese Z-19ME is like search and destroy.
Strela has no radar so you’ll never get any warning that isn’t a white plume of smoke.
One can hide behind an obstacle and scan the spawn area in 3rd person, so you searching around with your optics might not reveal there’s a Strela around.
2S6’s missile is worse than Osa’s at further away.
2S6’s missile is worse than Strela’s at closer ranges.
It’s basically a mix of both approaches that doesn’t really do anything great for it’s BR. So if Osa/Strela are at 10.3, I don’t see why 2S6 should move up to 11.0.
All of em,but Z-10ME is the worst one of em as the CM-502s dont really do damage and LMURs are on your side unless its mix vs mix and you have same nations on both sides.
Hence why I said doing pop up attacks at 6km is effective. The OSA will have very little time to react and the Strela if they do fire it’s missile, you can outrun it.
the 2S6 excels at shooting down munitions which both the OSA/Strela struggle with and it’s decent at maneuvering planes at low-mid ranges and decent at shooting down easy targets at far ranges.
Like I said before, the OSA and Strela excel at one thing and one thing only, it’s not multipurpose which matters the most in top tier environment.
sure
Not really, any maneuvering targets can easily dodge them because it’s easy to spot the missiles trajectory and out-g it.
never argued that it should go up, it’s fine where it is. My issue is that there exists spaa like the adats, type 81, flakrak that should be reduced in BR because other nations do not have effective spaa that can deal with 10.7-11.3 CAS. And there exists nations that don’t even have existing spaa that can go down. Russia 11.3 CAS is really good because there’s no spaa at that BR that can counter it.
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I leave the MI-28MN out of my answer because there is seperate topic about it. The probem is also maps because dealing with helicopters like Vietnam Hills or Japan where helicopter can hide between the hills.
@All who are saying … aah … 2S6 has only 65mm pen. You so cool guys.
Tell that to the M1128 and the MERKAVA … straight kill from the front on low angle. One bullet finds a weak spot and the the entire crew was out !!!
I’ve already killed a Maus with a Type 87 using AP ammunition, so 2s6 killing a Merkava isn’t much, possibly one of the bullets gave a mysterious ricochet straight into the tank and killed everyone
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2S6’s missile has a motor that burns out almost instantly, so you can easily dodge that at any medium range. Osa’s one however keeps burning for much longer, retaining it’s energy and giving you better chances of hitting, especially with that bigger trigger radius.
Yeah, it definitely matters to be mediocre at best at ALL of things.
Yes really, 2S6 fires off missiles that become a slug after 4-5km even in perfect conditions. Only chance of that hitting you from your 6km of range is by you headbutting it.
We talking about Tunguska and Pantsir with their br, but my question really Tan-SAM that OP to be on same br as FlaRakRad or (in case of radar one) with Pantsir? I mean for me it’s hard to play on them because i don’t even know is there any planes until i get Maverick or Khs in my face from distance larger than my lock range or (in case of winter maps with bad weather) without abilitie to lock at all. Haven’t played radar one, so for it just asking
retaining energy doesn’t change the fact that it doesn’t pull as much and has significantly slower acceleration where as the 2S6 does.
You’re dodging my main argument on why I said it’s better. It can react significantly faster to pop up attacks than any other spaa at this BR. This include to 5-6km agm/gbu launches.
It matters to be versatile when it comes to modern threats. Like I said before, the OSA and Strela cannot compete with the 2S6 because it’s it can only counter threats that are uncommon. The type of targets the OSA is decent at countering don’t exist once you face highly maneuverable agm/gbu slingers. The exception is the Strela which can decimate close low flying targets but it cannot identify/intercept munitions reliably which is a must have capablity spaa need to have in this environment.
It is the same reason why the TOR/HQ17 despite having signicantly better missiles than the 2S6 is still worse because it’s limited to only specific targets.
You still don’t understand that 2S6 isn’t hitting anything at 6km away that isn’t afk.
Neither does the OSA and Strela, if you have eyes and an ounce of situational awareness.
You seem to not understand that the 2S6 doesn’t need to hit anything farther than 6km. It is excellent at shoot down almost any guided munitions at most ranges which both the OSA and Strela isn’t good at.
Whatever 2S6 can do at those ranges, Osa does it significantly better.
So you’re trading performance against actual aircraft in order to be better at shooting down bombs ?
Amazing priorities.
Most definitely not as the missiles are heavily constrained by it’s platform. The missile itself is easily dodge-able at most ranges because of how slow it accelerates, the less Gs it pulls, and because it’s easy to spot.
It’s exactly why the ADATS was worse than the 2S6 until they implemented a new mechanic of slaving IRST to radar. It had no ability to spot and identify incoming agms/gbus. Now it’s at a much better place albeit some limitations with that new mechanic and with it being over-br’d
Let me fix that for you:
you’re trading unnoticeable benefits against actual aircraft in order to be significantly more versatile against top tier threats.
Amazing priorities
Most definitely yes as it preserves more energy for longer as it’s engine actually burns for more than a second. Much better trigger radius definitely helps later on in it’s flight time where the missile is in low energy state.
2S6’s missile might actually be hampered at longer distances due to it’s higher G pull as you’ll turn once or twice and missile simply falls out of the sky, as it’s motor has stopped burning like 10 seconds ago. At that point it becomes nothing but a slug that’ll hit only an afk target.
At anything below 4-5km Strela also claps it’s cheeks.
2S6 is a very sad vehicle that isn’t good at literally any range and is inferior to options found at a lower BR. It’s found at the BR of 10.7 simply because of it’s guns, thermals and mobility that can be used to kill tanks.
Top tier threats can simply ignore 2S6 at basically any range, unlike Strela for example.
It’s basically a trashy vehicle that doesn’t perform good at anything besides making you an ordnance-shooting bot.
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which doesn’t matter when pop up attacks negate the pros of the OSAs. Again, your completely forgetting how much platform affects the missile’s performance. the OSA has a worse radar, horizontal guidance, mobility, and has a minimum engagement distance.
The 2S6’s high G missile paired with fast acceleration is a boon because it gives enemies less time to react.
No it was reduced in BR because of the SOCLOS missile change. It was originally 11.3 (or 11.0). The ADATS was not too far from the 2S6 prior to BR changes despite it having greater anti-tank capabilities and greater missiles.
They cannot because any agm or gbu they throw at enemies will be intercepted thus taking away from their CAS
by top tier I mean 10.7 - 11.7 as there’s no point in bringing it in 12.0+ as you have the pantsir and buk
Anyone who plays CAS knows how ignorant that statement is. What you refuse to see is having the ability to shoot down ordnance is massively important in top tier. It matters more than shooting down planes because they can easily hide behind cover, fly low, and do other varieties of tactics to avoid spaa. However agms/gbus cannot avoid spaa and if spaa cannot shoot them down, then they are useless.
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2S6 is not Pantsir… it does not have the same interception capability… pls dont mix them…
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The 2S6 is not the monster it once was. It got nerfed so many times to the point where basically anything can dodge it at any range.
You’re forgetting the context of this conversation. I’m specifically talking about how the 2S6 is the only spaa that can effectively counter CAS from 10.7 to 11.7 where most common ordinances are mavericks or gbus. both of which the 2S6 can counter effectively.
Other nations do not have the same capabilities at the BR of the 2S6. Making Russian CAS (su39,su24) dominant. The only exception is the ADATS but even then there are limitations and it’s slave IRST to radar is finicky.
My argument was never to increase the BR of the 2s6. It’s to reduce the BRs of spaa (11.0-11.7). The TOR/HQ17, FlaRakRad, Type 81, and ADATS is a great example of this.
True it is the most effective, but still strugle with anything that isn’t subsonic or it dosn’t fly afk in a straight line. As for the ordinance interception - yeah, but only against a single one… unlike the Pantsir, it doesn’t have TWS, so can switch fast if you fire multiple mavericks/gbus.
The Su25T/39 and the Su24 are at 11 or 11.3 BR… so they’re well in the range of the Ito/FlaRakRad. And even a Strela/OSA can deal with them effectively.
Kinda agree… with adequate br decompresion (bouth in ground and air) all old SPAAs (including the 2S6) may go at 11.0 and be fine.