Not really sure what that sentence is supposed to say but i ignore the Soyuz in every comparison, because its stupid
In first year, people was using HE to kill crew at that time and, Pari also have it. In that time, players need to choice the right time to change AP to attack Korn’s weakness. If you say which soviet ship was OP in most time, I think it should be pari. The time when Pari class was not OP, it was gaijin add Mutsu and Rodney in game.
The guns are okay, even in game it is the most powerful gun especially beyond 10km without doubts.
Yamato’s armour scheme was designed for real world battles which takes place beyond 20km and ships cannot freely sail for any heading angle. The octagonal citadel makes Yamato’s armour weaker when angled, which is not a big problem in real world but death sentence in games.
There are a few minor issues pending to be fixed in the future but none of them will significantly change the armour effectiveness. I am afraid there’s nothing more can be done to the ship itself.
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That’s true, Yamato’s design caused it was so weak in game, but in real world, any ships in a fleet can’t move so freely like which act in game.
And yet Scharnhorst has more played time and has better statistics according to Statshark but no i don’t see people complaining about him i see people complaining about Kronstadt if it glory days even if it had one long ended but still getting more complaints dozen of times
Then you’ve not been looking then
We’ve had Scharnhorst threads for years as well. But again… with the introduction of the lift fire mechanic, she went from unsinkable to easily one-shottable.
Kron was busted, but did get fixed (i’ve not had an issue with Kron for about 18 months now I reckon). Scharn was busted, but did get fixed (about 6/7 months for that)
The only person who seems to be even bringing up Kron beyond the context of paper ships and whether or not they should be a part of naval is you.
The main discussion now is what to do about Soyuz and how to nerf Soyuz to be an actually reasonable top tier ship. Because the only reliable tactic at the moment, is to get your entire team to focus fire her down and nuke her. Basically the old Scharnhorst tactic. We could very very easily see a return of the dark days of Scharnhorst, where the team with the most Soyuzs… wins.
Just like what I said, in that time, people was enjoying in 1928HE and Pari have greater survival ability than Korn : (
So many players choice to play Pari at first, if pari was sunk, then change to Kron.
Its almost like statshark doesnt go as far back as Krons release date and therefore has incomplete data regarding that topic
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Looking at the insane performance difference between the new 8.7s were already in these dark times
At the moment, whenever I play Vanguard at least and get uptiered. Its mostly Bismarks, Yamatos and a few Iowas Im seeing at the moment Soyuz seems semi-rare. Heck, I’ve seen more Roma and Rich than Soyuz. I dont expect that to last long, but I think we are destined to get a lot lot worse before things get better. WHen we are seeing 3-5 Soyuz per team or worse still 3-5 soyuz on one team and none on the other. Then we will be in the dark days
According to statshark Soyuz should be the 4th most played of the new bbs after Yamato, Iowa and Bismarck but 7.21 Kills per Death compared to 4.62 on the Iowa is insane
600 messages in 2 years ? SU beated it without appearing in live servers
Because Scharn is a real ship. That actually saw combat and was simply modeled accurately, but proved to be OP.
Soyuz is a ship that was never built and the soviets almost certainly would never have been able to build her to the specs we see in game. Rather than balancing her using available mechanics, like giving her a slower reload. She has an above average reload.
She was designed to be the best BB in-game by a very large margin and that is apparent to everyone except you apparently. In an update where not everyone got even 8.3s . Let alone 8.7s. Gaijin giving the Soviets a 9.7 and pretending its balanced at 8.7 is rather stupid.
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I never said that SU is on one level with other ships only thing i claimed is you and certain players bias
What bias?
So because Soyuz is soviet and not US or Italian or something. Im biased?
I bet that if SU type ship would appear in other nation it would have less attention
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You are right bro. When the test server began, I was called gaijin make an unbalanced ship and it was even build in 2025, and also say gaijin banned guided bomb in game maybe due to it. But at that time, everyone in this forum was only focus on real ships like Yamato, Vanguard and Iowa, nobody talk about Pr.23’s unbalance.
Well. I recall seeing far far more complaints about Scharnhorst over the past 2 years than I ever did for Kron.
So… last time I checked. Scharn wasnt a soviet ship
and no one else really gets complained about because no one else has been that good. US ships blow up if sneezed upon and have nerfed reload rates. British ships have only just been added to top tier and whilst Rodney is good now, she had MAJOR issues on addition and has a nerfed reload. French and Italian ships have never been all that good. Only ship I really hate fighting at the moment is Amagi due to her reload being so good, but I can fight her and have 1 shot an Amagi enough times to know its entirely possible to do.
But that doesnt matter. even you admit the soyuz is not on par with any other ship in game and your only defence for her is “You are only complaining because its soviet” isnt really much of defence for the ship being cracked.
though… that being said. Other nations like Britain probably could have actually built Soyuz IRL and she wouldnt have been a paper ship. The rather insane thing about the soviets, is that out of all the naval nations in game. They are the strongest at top tier but by far the weakest IRL. The soviets shouldnt really be in the top 3 naval nations in game and it just feels like the devs are artificially making sure that not only they are in the top tier 3. They exceed everyone else by quite a margin. Heck, the past year, they’ve been carried by a British and Italian battleships. (Novorossiysk is italian and Arkhangelsk is British) The British one hasnt even been added to the British TT yet. 2/3 of their rank VI line-up isnt even soviet made and the third is a paper ship. Heck, even their premium uses german guns (which btw, should have 70 second reloads, but that is Gnei as well). So the soviets having the best ship in the game by no small margin. Is just… wierd.
As I said before. if absolutely nothing else, they could have limited Soyuz reload. It was originally the fastest reload at top tier, but got nerfed down to the above average reload it has now and imo, should be dropped further, to around 35 seconds or maybe even higher. Roma afterall has a 45.5 second reload. Soyuz could be given 40+ quite easily and still be stronger
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USA did nuclear subs first, Soviet tanks proved their (lack of) worth in Iraq, and guess who landed on the Moon?
SS being this good is just fantasy, there was just a total lack of ability to make big ships on the Soviet’s side
Yeah, this is the wierd bit for me. Soviets dont have a single rank 6+ ship that they actaully built themselves IRL but somehow have something as good as Soyuz. I dont know what alternatives there might have been for them to add except for Soyuz, but I dont think she should be this good