Yeah, this is the wierd bit for me. Soviets dont have a single rank 6+ ship that they actaully built themselves IRL but somehow have something as good as Soyuz. I dont know what alternatives there might have been for them to add except for Soyuz, but I dont think she should be this good
its so funny that every new BB has its strenghts and weaknesses since they somehow needed to confront budgets, timelines, planned operations, resources and manufacturing capabilites but somehow Gaijin thought its ok to add a ship that was never confronted with the constraints of reality and therefore has no weaknesses whatsoever
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Yeah, exactly. You can tell Soyuz was what the designers were “hoping” it would be to appease Stalin
For possible balance changes, here’s my 2 cents on what could be done:
- Vanguard: Increase the RoF or the accuracy a bit, currently Amagi and Mutsu beats it on both count.
- Richelieu: Improve accuracy to bring it in line with Bismarck
- Roma: Significant increase in RoF, accuracy and/or being lowered to 8.0 (not all 3 at the same time). Currently it’s just a pinata.
- Yamato: Gotta say I’m not too sure what to do with her. She’s clearly way below Soyuz and Iowa, but I don’t know what buffs she could get and you can’t lower her to 8.3. Maybe RoF buff and increasing the HP of sections of the ship to make her more survivable?
- Soyuz: Significant nerf to its accuracy, give its armor a lower KE protection multiplier to represent its double face hardened plates compared to other ship’s single RCA plate. Maybe a slight RoF nerf down the line if both suggestions above doesn’t bring it in line.
@HK_Reporter
Quick question: Do different ships have different threshold for destroyed compartment before losing unsinkability? Because in Richelieu I always lose unsinkability when 3 sections are destroyed, no matter which ones. However in one game a Yamato player said that 2 sections were red and the rest black yet they were not sinking.
@Whisloy
Could you please stop derailing the thread? A mod already told us to stay on topic, at this rate all that’s going to happen is that the thread is going to get closed.
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Afaik hull sections are applied to every ship equally. I don’t think I have encountered a Yamato with more than 3 sections destroyed while staying afloat. If you do find it happens, you can make a bug report.
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Amagi drowning on the other side of the impact and hole btw. Demonstrating it’s belly to enemy, unable to shoot back. Totally a bug, happens all the time.
Sure Т-5/53-58 — Википедия 5 years pre USA have one.
Sure, except bugs like on Rodney Community Bug Reporting System or some other ships like K2 or this Community Bug Reporting System
Bug reports which was torpedoed by Tech mods one of yours.
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that is not a nuclear powered submarine
It’s better
Thanks for the answer!
^^ this.
Vanguard and Richelieu are probably the most balanced ones, just a bit of accuracy buff and they can be on par with their counterparts at the same Br.
Don’t lower Roma Br, right now the problem is that you can’t consistently hit targets. With a better dispersion and a bit better reload this should be solved.
Also Roma’s shell, abeit not having a lot of TNT, litterally cut through armor like a knife.
If we lower its Br 7.7 ships (especially american ones that stores a lot o ammo in the turret’s elevator) will just explode the moment one on her salvo lands in that area.
Soyuz: Dispersion and RoF slight nerf. The problem is that we need an entire team to saturate a single ship to sink it, while that ship can one tap every ship that makes a slight mistake.
Also replace the explosive filler to TnT as, historically, when Ansaldo gave them the demonstrator for that gun they only had that as possible filler.
If we want to go further even the lonely gun that fired at the germans ( and we don’t konw the accuracy of that one) also had only TnT avayable.
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Looks to me like you got ammo racked, which doesn’t necessarily mean the flooding was on the wrong side
The video that basically shows that even those who write the scripts don’t play naval.
The main points to maximize your playstyle in this video are:
- “Find cover!”: When 70% of the matches are in the “circle of death”
- “Stay over 15Km!”: When the game spawns you at 14Km max, full sending it forward and, if you turn around, you immediately get the “return to the battlefield” message.
- “Keep manouvering!”: AKA “just dodge”…yeah…with a 40k+ tonnes battleship. Already know a game that told us to do that and its not really usefull.
- “Stay at max distance!”: Because camping your own spawn is the best way to help your allies. Wait, the enemy capped all the points and you lost? Just unlucky, keep camping and you’ll win someday.
Really, can we have them play naval as it is now? just give them a maxed naval account with everything unlocked, make them record an unfiltered 20min video for each BB and make them write a proper video advice.
This one is just plain wrong and promotes zero teamplay.
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yeah but 80% of that always to the enemy side belly drowning from just 1 hit
Another “artificial nerf” that I noted for Roma just in the last match.
In game life supports boats that are in the way of the main guns gets removed to maximize their firing angles (screenshots are Duilio turret 3, Poltava, Baden turret 3) :
Or sometimes they just let the gun clip through them ( new Sevastopol and Gneisenau as examples):
Roma still gets the life boats in the way of turret 3, that can reach those angles, but it’s blocked and can’t depress and fire, forcing you to show even more broadside.
Can we ask them to be removed so that this ship don’t have even more double standards that it has now?
Even a simple report can be good. (hoping that they won’t say no for no reasons).
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I don’t want to lower Roma’s BR either as I think she should absolutely be capable of standing alongside the other 8.3 BBs, but unfortunately the deciding factor isn’t what we want as players but rather what gaijin will be willing to do.
If Roma is to be competitive with Bismarck (and Richelieu if she gets buffed as well), she’ll need some significant buffs. Besides the increase in accuracy, her RoF should go to at least 1.5 or even 1.6 RPM aced IMO.
Unfortunately I have doubts about gaijin’s willingness to do that. Hence the mention of a BR decrease.
Here’s hoping they prove me wrong.
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https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/RvOtWAYID042
Opened the report on Roma’s turret 3 firing angles being blocked by those life boats.
Hope that they won’t give me the usual “not a bug”.
600 messages in 2 years ? That is absolutley nothing.
So you agree that it would attract less attention if it would be added in other nation ?
Cool. But still it will be back at political barking without my participation.
if you have historical photo you can make more possibility of passed to developers.
That’s what I do when I report about Poltava’s lifeboats years ago.
There ahve been far more threads and discussions than just a single thread on the topic, and discussions in other threads (loads in the British naval one for example). Just like there is more than 1 thread on Soyuz.
Soyuz is so far beyond anything else at top tier that it would have always gotten a lot of bad attention. The fact its a paper ship from the worst naval power in the world only makes matter worse. paper ships are highly controversial as it is, but when there is no way that paper ship could have ever existed IRL… Its a powder key.
But you yourself agreed that Soyuz is stupidly OP at the moment. So… does it matter what tree it is in?
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Watching people that never played naval come and complain about it yes i think it does matter quite a lot.