I give up. If new players is all they care about and not the people who have spent years supporting the game, then nothing I say is going to change their minds. I can always go back to World of Warships. Haven’t played that in years, because I really liked the feel of arcade naval here.
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You can notice that everyone who supports this change is either a Naval Realistic player or don’t play Naval at all.
For someone who tried Naval and didn’t like it, any change is potentially good. The real question is how many of such players will actually enjoy the new aiming so much that they decide to play Naval Arcade in the long run. I don’t think there will be many of such players, but we will see.
Naval Realistic players hope that the current Naval Arcade players will switch to Realistic, so they will have more players to fight against. But this is very short-sighted thinking. I’m sure some Arcade players will switch to Realistic. I still think more Arcade players will basically stop playing Naval game mode.
There will also be a problem with progression. Currently some players start playing Arcade and after some time decide to change to Realistic. If you think about this, currently aiming isn’t that different in both modes, apart from that manual distance correction you have to do in Realistic (which is very annoying for me, but it’s not something I couldn’t do).
When two Naval game modes will have completely different aiming systems, I don’t see anyone changing from Arcade to Realistic in the future. Even if some players will enjoy holding their left mouse button to automatically sink enemies in Arcade (there will be such players of course), there is no way these players will eventually move to Naval Realistic with completely different aiming system. Long-term this can reduce the number of players not only in Arcade, but also Realistic.
We will see of course, but I have a feeling this change will create many more problems than players think it will. Naval Arcade has been simplified so many times over the years and it never worked. It’s quite the opposite, it lost many players because of these simplifications. But somehow some people think that simplifying it even more, to an absurd level, will attract more players to the game. If something hasn’t worked 10 times, there is a very small chance it will work the 11th time.
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I play all kind of ships - mostly boats but also destroyers and cruisers - battleships not that often
this change flattens the learning-curve nearly completely…
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No, in Dev era, we all played in arcade, but when higher rank ship added in tech tree, high BR plane and Japanese long lance torpedo was added. They both have unlimited ammo in acade, can u image some flying in PE-8/He177A5/JU288/Lancaster/AD-2 on 5km high then using high TNT equivalent guided bomb bombing you ship? Or in African Gulf, play a shimakaze in BR7.0 and drop a round and a round type93 torpedo with higher speed like 146knots(272km/h)? That’s the biggest difference between AB and RB, and both is the reason why I play smaller ship in AB and larger ship in RB, but it still depends on daily mission, AB or RB which is more easier, then I will play that.
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torpedo speed in the statcards is wrong since end of last year - but due to bug moderators its no bug…
The real speed may be calculated in m/s by dividing the value for km/h by 10
I guess that`s the intention of the change but they forgot to give the correct value and dimension…
(as the influence of torpedo modifcation in some ships is given in meter per second)
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No, but it’s speed is still more higher than RB.
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It was awesome when arcade tanks came out, and you could squeeze in a second drop of bombs if you were on to it…
Maybe that should be brought back…
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Right, in naval AB, ACE crew maybe 30s per round to reloading bomb, but anyway, that’s one of the fun of AB.
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sure - torp speed is higher in AB as in RB - this and the missing torp reload makes pt boats much less of use in RB. attacking larger ships is not easier in RB then - their ai guns shoot at the small boats so sneak approach is very difficult…
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The opposite, I’d say, it greatly steepens the curve, at first.
Knowing exactly the pixel on each ship to ammo-rack it comes with experience. You won’t get a second shot if you’re a newb up against people who specialize in this mode. We already see this in the mobile game now, which has become extraordinarily newb-unfriendly with a similar aiming model.
One has to assume this in part giving those players a “mode” so they come over from mobile, as well. Really seems to be scraping the barrel if they feel they need that small group of players.
(You’ll also see more of this )
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Yes, that’s K/D is insane, even skillful player’s K/D rate is around 10 or less than it.
It’s not higher across the board
Torpedo speed multiplier in AB:
Up to 4 km the multiplier is 3;
From 4 to 8 km multiplier drops linearly from 3 to 1;
Over 8 km the multiplier is 1.
This was introduced in Update “Red Skies”.
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sure - torp speed is higher in AB as in RB - this and the missing torp reload makes pt boats much less of use in RB. attacking larger ships is not easier in RB then - their ai guns shoot at the small boats so sneak approach is very difficult…
Generally there’s a lot of variety in ship performance between the game modes. E.g. I would never take Shimakaze into RB 7.0, but I constantly take it into AB 7.0, cause she’s great out there. On the other hand, fragile and mobile bluewater vessels with good guns (e.g. French cruisers) tend to perform much better in RB than they do in AB.
Either way - isn’t that discussion going a fair bit off topic? 😅
To get it a little bit back-on-track - the core point is that simply telling people who dislike the change to migrate over from AB into RB is very much misguided, if not to say that it’s actively discouraging people from playing the game all together.
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FYI: It’s under the guns… pretty much always. It’s not that hard to remember. 😅 And the spread most of the guns have makes it borderline impossible to pixel-hunt (even if this update does lower the spread for most of the naval guns we have in the game).
Playing tournaments, first-good-salvo ammo-rack kills were VERY common. And that was in RB, with aiming. Those same players will delete newbs on sight in AB, in a way they can’t today; ranges are too short in the game on most maps for dispersion to matter much. That’s why I suspect this is a mode that will struggle now under the new rules, or if not, be thinned out in terms of player base dramatically at higher ranks.
The funny thing is that with bow-tanking removed as a strat, and everything being more accurate and deadly, just as in those tournaments you’re going to see AB become even more a “hide in the islands and snipe from behind them” fight, because it’s pretty much the only damage mitigation you have left. In the long run, there’s a point of diminishing returns here with the “make it dumber” strategy: the farther and farther they get from anything recognizably naval. At some point naval fans will want to play an actual naval game where ships behave as ships did.
Another thing you’ll likely see is more ships running with completely empty racks in some cases, especially on the poorer secondaries, to reduce explosion risks. If you can kill with main guns and first salvo matters most, absolutely no point to keeping anything explosive on board that can’t help you with that.
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Right, in tournaments, player prefer to carry less torpedo, less secondary ammo and appropriate main cannon ammo to avoid mag or shell room explosion. It is the same in top tier battleship match in RB. But except the first hit kill, the movement skill is also important, that is the point what I say above all, appropriate movement skill can disturb enemy’s aiming, especially when u enemy highly depends on FCS. The same reason, it can also disturb new AB aiming mechanism, but if one player always low BR match like 4.3-5.0, in this BR most of his enemies are newbs, he will not meet too many skillful players who have good movement skills.
Naval Arcade is basically my main mode in War Thunder at this point.
I’m very opposed to this change. I don’t think simplifying the mode any further makes it better, as many have pointed out this will only make ships that are already too strong in the meta even stronger while making evasion in nearly any ship impossible.
Naval as a whole, but particularly naval arcade, needs more strategy and depth, not less.
EDIT: The fact that this enormous change was made without consulting players and without any kind of testing or survey just goes to show how little Gaijin thinks of their own playerbase. Naval players might as well not exist to them, so why bother asking them what they think?
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Despite the similarities, all Arcade modes prepare you for Realistic. But with this change, you are NOT prepared in any way to play Realistic. Movement from Arcade to Realistic STOPS except for those of us who will leave with this new Aiming disaster - which will be most of us. Additionally, when people complain about “pay to win”, whoever can afford the best graphics card and the largest 50+" monitor will be Arcade Gods with this new change because it will become simply a matter of pixels and who can see and put their curser on the spot.
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After more than 2 years in the game I finally tried Naval with the last update and it has become my “go-to” game-mode. But this was after months of test sailing ship after ship to learn the aiming mode, both Arcade & Realistic. And with the last changes, shortening the que times and increasing SL for bots, I have seen the lobbies grow almost double from when I started less than 3 months ago. I have yet to see a wait time of over 2:00 and what used to be 4-6 players per match it is now 12-16 per match and growing daily. That and migration from WoWS is very evident. Gaijin needs to give these changes time to take effect.
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In all modes, Arcade “prepares” you for Realistic. There is a reason people’s first match in ground is Arcade, in order to learn the basics. And then after a few missions, you are allowed to choose Realistic. This will no longer be true in Naval. Arcade will NOT prepare you for Realistic. I will cease playing Arcade and either play Realistic or quit playing Naval altogether. (Question: How does this system work in Coastal?)
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