In fact, WarThunder ships intentionally ignore thin armor, which means that when a penetrating shell detonates the fuse, it will send shrapnel into the internal modules, but the Scharnhorst is invincible because its thick armor is modeled after the fuse timer starts.
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The only way torps are effective against the Scharnhorst is to set their running depth to 4m, the default 1m depth strikes the armour belt and is effectively useless (even the Japanese Type 93 mod.3 with 998.4 kg TNT equivalent warheads have little effect at 1m depth). Also, I don’t know if its modeled in game, but the further below the water line a hull breach is the higher the water pressure and the faster the flooding as a result.
I can concur this, ive had my Nevada ammo detonated twice by Japanese 8" AP shells.
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WWII Iowas are going to suck in game. 10000tons for 6 knots more speed and with no armor upgrade/firepower upgrade compared to the south Dakotas.
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The guns are a bit more “Fuck-you” level on Iowa but glass cannons don’t seem to be the naval meta unless they also have ridiculously fast reloads.
BUMP for Unanimous Consent. I’d really love to play those cool 6.0-6.3 Cruisers once in awhile without getting Scharnhorsted up the waz every match.
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One should be using 4m depth at all times anyway, unless playing at below-destroyer Coastal BRs. :P
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Again please remember chaps, the scharnhorst has modern layered armour profiles. And most people are using ww1 dreadnoughts with ww1 shells which means they don’t have the penetration power or have shell shatter that stops them reaching the vitals of the scharnhorst. All this means is that the Scharnhorst was abit early to the game, But Alaska and that russian ship can out tank the scharnhorst easily sometimes.
Theres nothing wrong with the model, just the game does not have many ww2 counterparts yet.
(An edit note: we are slowly gaining ships closer if not equal to it’s combat power and hopefully with more modern ww2 additions will have ships outclassing it).
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This is the primary point. Scharnhorst should probably be more like 7.3/7.7 and every other nation should get new top tier BBs ASAP. But they seem to be dragging their feet with doing that.
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France, still stuck with one crappy modernized WW1 dreadnought as their top tier…
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Honestly not sure how much i agree with this. The real primary reason the scharn performs so well isnt its tankyness imo, its the gun characteristics. The thing is incredible at dealing with cruisers and smaller ships. Between its fast firing guns and extremely good turret traverse, it rips through most things that arent BB’s. It does struggle significantly more with BB’s though, to the point where sometimes the only actual reasonable recourse is to close the distance and torp them. THATS where the armor comes in. It can be hard to sink fast enough if its rushing you, at that point though, you focus more on the 2 forward turrets and the conning tower to limit its firepower and maneuvers, and then use HE to knock out the torps, and you’ll chew through its crew.
I think if it went up in BR and faced more fast battleships, its effectiveness would tank to the bottom and lead to it getting downtiered back to 7.0
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Funniest part is the modernisation is about AA, one of the main turret is removed xD
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And the Bretagne still has a bug that makes its secondary guns shoot off target by a wide margin. The bug report’s been around for 3 months now.
https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/ZjFdJMyAXICy
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Damn still here?
Guess if Scharnorst on its release got this problem it would have been resolved in 3 days.
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Exactly. We don’t need Scharnhorst nerfed into uselessness, we need counterparts for everyone.
Sadly, Haijin keeps giving U.S DDs and CCs, other nations WW1 dreadnoughts/BCs and PT boats, none of which serves as a counterpart.
For some reason it’s like they forgot Top Tier BBs exist- even years after implementing Scharnhorst and, now, after implementing a damn Nagato class ship.
I have no idea how they can implement such stuff without counterparts for months and even years… but last thing we need is artificial needs that would never be reverted.
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USN’s time will come. As soon as they start to add US fast battleships, the issue will be gone for good. Right now its just the US WW1 designs…you can’t expect these to be on paar with Scharnhorst/Gneisenau. Which had a reputation to soak up damage (Torpedo hits, mines, bombs, BB main gun shells during their countless battles and operations).
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Interestingly though, the modern U.S BBs will be more glass canons than anything else.
On the one hand, their super heavy 406mm shells will devastate everything… but on the other hand, their mere 307mm thick belts won’t do much to protect them.
I think that, in War Thunder, Bismarck will be the peak performance apex, at least in the standard Naval mode.
Bismarck’s armor was designed for engagement ranges found currently in the standard Naval modes’ maps, while the armor on fast American BBs was designed for longer engagement ranges, which would give them an edge on EC or larger maps.
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I would like to see how can Alaska or Kron “easily” out tank Scharnhorst in current WT settings even if it is sometimes.
But in general I agree Scharnhorst could be quite balance even with current ships but we would need one thing for that and thats range and long range accuracy. If we got larger maps the Scharnhorst would quickly got major disadvantage since its light guns wouldn´t be potent enough to punch through the armor of other and some others would get some slight chance to pierce through the armor at that range.
I mean I would say that the aditions are not that bad at least when we get cruisers and DDs, since the USN BBs are simply not that good even if Gaijin adds the Colorado. US would need South Dakota (the unfinished one) or North Carolina which would then very likely prompt adition of Bismarck.
I wouldn´t hold my hopes too high yes the pen on the guns will be great but even they will sometime struggle with angled Bismarck or Scharnhorst and the bursting charge isn´t that great so I doupt that they will some kind of magic bullet.
And I really thing that that is precisely what is needed - larger maps since with adition of more powerful guns I have feeling that the BB meta will quickly evolve in camping meta since sticking out your nose will mean detonation.
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Literally never lol
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Lmao alaska cant tank a thing. It is oversized heavy cruiser and easiest battlecruiser/battleship to be ammoracked, Kronstadt currently is 2nd easiest
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