Almost every aircraft will wipe the floor with it. Let me show you in a 1v1 :)
False
MTI is nearly useless. I can show you how to easily defeat it when we 1v1.
None of these statements are true.
AIM-7E-2/Skyflash are at least on par with the R-24R, not to mention the AIM-7F and SuperTEMP, plus there’s twice as many of them. The R-60Ms are also kinematically one of the worst missiles at the BR.
The other vehicles at the BR range don’t have the same mountain of disadvantages as the MiG-23s. It’s a lot worse for its BR than the Hunter. We can demonstrate this in a couple 1v1s!
The GSh has lower fire rate, velocity, and explosive. Plus, it’s usually not fighting ADENs but rather Vulcans.
This is why 9Ls on anything other than a strike aircraft are at higher BRs. But range isnt everything, just means the target has more time to flare and the missille is easier to kinematically defeat. Heck. I’ve had 9Ms fired within the LSZ just… miss the target.
Mig-23MLD will easily beat the heavy British Phantoms and probably beat the non-agile eagle phantoms as well.
Will easily beat anything subsonic
Will easily beat any of the strike aircraft at that BR
Probably can roughly match something like an Mirage F1.
So what exactly will “always beat the Mig-23MLD”?
Fact. It was nerfed to IRL performance and then Gaijin buffed it back up again rather than dropping its BR which would have required AAM nerfs as well.
Then I guess the Mirage F1 at 12.0 needs to drop down to 11.7 as it also only has MTI.
Have you ever flown the VIggen D. F-104 or Mirage F1. Heck have you ever even flown the Mig-23MLD?
They are ONLY Stronger at alt when fired from greater than 10-12km away. At sub 8km, the R-24R always wins, It also has IOG which is no small buff. Aim-7Fs are maybe on par, but Id still give the point to the R-24R. Skyflash SuperTEMPs I didnt count because the Torando F3/ADV should probably be 12.3 if/when it gets fixed and buffed up to IRL performance (BOL overhaul, Phimat Pods and correct FM) (or if nothing else, with the decompression should actually be a different BR to most of the Phantoms) at the moment, the Skyflash STs are the only reason its not 11.3
No they are not. They are some of the best 1.5km IR missiles at that BR range.
Such as?
F-104s at 12.0 should probably be 11.3 compared to the Mig-23MLD. they practically dont have an RWR.
Faces 30mm DEFA all the time. So…
And in GSB the Mig-23MLD is the same BR as the Sea Harrier FRS1. So…
the biggest reason why i think the 9l is wastly better is its flare ressitance in rear aspect in adition to the extra range which means you are able to take some shots where it is less likely for the enemy to notice you
Yes and no. I’ve had 9Ls fired at 2km, in rear-aspect against something on full reheat just instantly swap to the flare.
The issue is that IR signatures basically arent modeled. This is why a SHar wont flare a R-60M fired at 3km in rear-aspect if its low air-speed but how an F-5 can 1 flare defeat even a magic II at most ranges.
But I’ve seen R-60Ms ignroe flares enough times to know that they do have some flare resistance if used properly, like leading the shot and firing late.
It’s not to change his mind, but the minds of others that will stumble across this thread and be mislead by the loudest voice in the room shouting that the MiG-23 is OP.
Take any MiG-23. I’ll take the Tornado IDS. We’ll fly guns-only, see which has the better FM. Because of course the F.3 has better missiles, you said so yourself, and this is a discussion about the flight performance.
You are claiming the Mig-23MLD should be at 11.7 despite the fact it has great CM load, good speed, good handling and 6x decent missiles including some of the best SARH and IR missiles for that BR (The R-24R/T) but needs to be lower because it has a poor radar and RWR.
Well. I could argue the Mirage F1 should be 11.7 because it has MTI, weaker RWR and only 2x good IR missiles, with 2x Very weak SARH missiles (much much weaker than R-24Rs) so… Mirage F1 to 11.7 then?
Yeah, you have just lost crediblity here. If you think a Tornado will out dogfight a Mig-23.
Then BEAT ME IN A 1V1 YOU COWARD
I’ve flown Phantoms and MiG-23s and can safely say the MiG is inferior. You’ve flown only the Phantoms and claim that the one you haven’t tried is superior and OP…
Yeah, but we were testing just how insane the IR signatures were for the Harrier and we figured. “R-60 at 3km doesnt get much easier to flare than that”.
Still was hit. Took 8 flares + throttle down + Jinking to defeat.
