Please nerf them , they are the most unbalanced missiles at close range. And these things are camping air spawn material even if you wanna play CAP.
Had multiple matches where not only they would dominate air space but also ground as well and whenever I tried to play CAP on them they would already lock into me the second I spawn! Both mid air or airfield. They are cancerous as hell.
it seems to me the issue at play here is the spawn camping not the missile itself
Its more a problem of airspawn camping at fox 3 GRB tiers, doesn’t really matter if its a mica, aim120, r77, if you immediately spawn in and are locked up from sub 10km by a camper and hes throwing fox 3’s at you while you are ~2km off the deck when you spawn in your are cooked, even if you dodge it he’s on your 6 throwing more while you are in a completely cucked position.
Its kinda dumb you spawn in a completely fixed location for your air spawn, and its basically in knife fight range for these tiers. Only way to avoid it is to spawn on the airfield.
Moving the air spawn way back would help, would also stop zero skill russian CAS pilots from collecting a bunch of free kills with the kh38mt, so its a win/win. But that means gaijin is going to have to rework high tier GRB map air spaces, so maybe never?
The problem with MICAs overall is that they pull 50Gs (and all other missiles with same G pull force) at close range! Meaning if you engage in a dogfight with them either GRB/SIM or ARB , they will obliterate you even when their jet is not looking at you one bit.
Only 2 nations (From what I’m aware) have close range missiles with 50g missiles while other nations are getting body stomped in close DFs. Problem extends when you realize the platforms that carry 50G missiles also carry long range missiles on par with AIM-120s or R-77s. So now not only you got 50g close range missiles , but also long range missiles as well and even worse problem when planes like Rafale are also super agile and can also carry both stuff + op ground missiles.
You can move the airspawns in GRB for example at the edge of the map if you want , that won’t stop camping scumbags to cease their CAS farming and go to kill you.
A simple solution is to not only move plane spawns further but force them to take off from air spawn and disable radar since this would encourage the plane players to actually USE their eyes to spot the planes rather than relying on the radar and spamming the lock on button in that general area until the radar picks the enemy jet up.
And CAS jets should be limited with GBUs at best. Imo , I would remove all the Fire and Forget missiles on CAS platforms. Both jets and helicopters.
Forgot to mention we should probably have multiple air spawns, and with them moved back a larger detection radius near their side of the air map.
Taking off from a single airfield can be camped hard too. If we had like 3 air spawns 30km back and like a 10km detection bubble I think that would help.
With 1 spawn/airfield campers just need to look at 1 area.
What Gaijin should do with GRB spawns overall (Both jets and tanks) is that they should add an big highlighted area where you can click where you want to spawn rather than having 2 meaningless spawns. This would be great since the enemy then won’t predict where an tank will pop up from the spawn if the team gets pushed all the way back into the spawn.
I mean yeah but Gaijin should actually add actual competent bot AAs to the airspawns. Legit take the ones from ARB and put them into GRB. The GRB AAs are so weak you can fly sometimes at low speeds above the airfield and still not get hit.
They are nerfed
funny thing is, MICAs are currently underperforming
As to fox 3 spawn camping in GRB, if you spawn kill my tank or AA with AGMs, sorry not sorry, i will return the favor at some point
That being said, with more competent AA coming next patch, air spawn in GRB should probably be moved away a bit
Did you mean the R-77-1? because calling the regular R-77 “long range” is a bit of a stretch
How would you suggest players use radar missiles, especially SARH missiles without radar? I suppose if you limited them to ECM/HMS mode its doable, but I can already hear the enraged screaming over the idea.
at least until all nations with SPAA systems capable of intercepting them
I believe ALL ARHs are underperforming, as without ECM being in game, giving any of them their full capabilities would make them basically unavoidable.
sorry i didn’t mean the seeker, i mean in range
it’s lacking a lot of energy, the thing almost decelerates like an IR missile currently
also self explodes at 50km at a weak Mach 1.7 on a mach 2, 10km high head on target currently.
It should reach 80km according to available documentation. Since it’s quite busted at short range, it won’t be buffed before a while, and that’s fine, the thing excels at short range and it should stay that way for now.
Other missiles are also underperforming in range, but none by such a large margin
Ah got it. I think Gaijin may have messed something up with the thrust vectoring missiles to cause them to dump velocity to quickly, my guess is that they use the thrust vectoring to make even small corrections at even long ranges causing them to generate too much drag, but that’s just speculation on my part
They’re quite nerfed compared to how they should perform.
And we can’t even do the slaving it to rwr shenanigans 😿
That aside
It would be incredibly daft to disable radars on aircraft that integrate that information heavily, especially with the introduction of longer range ordnance. We’re already at the limit of when other aircraft will actually pop into view.
did you just call the MICA long range?
finding targets is literally the entire point of radar, its like saying, “we should remove optics from tanks so the crew have to get out and find the enemy like normal”
How do you ask for a nerf it if the state of the missile itself already nerfed???
We can only hope we get AIM9X, new AMRAAMS into the game because AIM9M in close range fight is useless.
9X will come with equivalents for other countries, and tbf, it could be one of the weakest of the bunch.
This is new. Seems like somebody realized that there are more missiles in the game that are acutally better than the AMRAAM.
However, i don’t support the idea of unrealistic nerfing. Same goes for the AIM-120. I’ve seen some bug reports for the Mica that got accepted and it should perform way better than now
Yes… that is the point of the missile. To be better at short range. What would be the point without this?
Bruh? Disable radar? You are either trolling or massively delusional.