if it became aa and kept dart it would have to be higher than 11.3 cause the otomatic is at 11.3 with a limit of 12 dart rounds
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OTOMATIC is 11.3 because players use its dart that pens 45% more than 2S38’s, has a massive proximity round of 76mm, and has a search radar.
The only way to make 2S38 as good as OTOMATIC is to make it an OTOMATIC.
“massive proximity round”
its got lot more filler and 2 extra meters of proxy radius sure, but if youve played 2S38 a lot more than youve done youd know that those HE VT rounds are still extremely effective. You can kill a helicopter in 1-2 rounds and planes get crushed in 1 to 2 rounds as well. Its got the exact same proxy radius as a goddamn roland. So how about we drop this absolutely stupid argument.
Also search radar and track radar which appears as ? for OTOMATIC is both a blessing and a curse. Blessing because you know planes are coming, curse because the planes know you exist. 2S38 lacking that and having IRST makes it be extremely good at very much surprising enemy planes because they had no cue outside of visual one to the 2S38s existence, at which point its most probably too late. And at 10.3 BR TGPs for most things dont exist (best you can get is thermals on D mavs), so finding white squares via thermals isnt going to work.
2S38 shouldnt go up because its somehow more survivable. It should go up because the kit it has makes it perform well despite the fact that it dies when something looks at it mean.
An extremely potent dart with high enough RoF where it can dismantle whatever its shooting at pretty fast and makes a IRL designated VSHORAD into an aggressive coin toss of a gun TD. If you dont kill or disable the gun on it with the first round, you are dead.
An extremely good HEVT with high firerate making follow up shots on helis unless actively evading be nearly guaranteed death.
LWS and IRST with gen 3 thermals to remain alert.
Comparing it in any way to begleit or using begleit as some form of an example is not only trying to undersell this premium vehicle maliciously but its also trying to say that “its actually not that good” to not increase the BR when it infact has an extremely good kit for 10.3.
Hell im using this shit at top tier and despite its fragility it still is more than able to kill leopard 2A5/6/7s, 122s, Abrams is a wet paper, Leclercs get hull penned and arietes you can basically shoot anywhere and itll go through
How about using one of the 30 other threads on this topic?
2S38 is worse against planes than Strela or even M247.
The fact is that it doesn’t perform really well.
That said, it should go up to 10.7 due to recent decompression.
skill issue, especially at 10.3
Hell you dont even fuckin own the damn thing, why are you saying if its worse or better than a SAM and a proxy radar SPAA 1.3BRs lower.
Literally same thing as when you were talking about helicopters without even owning them
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Is this once again another “ive looked at stat shark therefore i know so much better than the people that own the vehicle and actively play it” type deal?
Its a premium vehicle, very popular and common one so yea, a lot of people dont know how to play it and treat it as an MBT.
The kit it has is very potent, its survivability with modules and change to how the ammo is stored however makes it way more fragile and prone to dying.
At 10.3 its still a beast, and the fact that despite me using it at 13.0 it still more than able to deal with most threats it faces says volumes.
And while i respect your opinions, they should be taken with a massive grain of salt on things you dont own, havent played or take into account.
Because that proxy radar SPAA does everything better ?
More rounds, more fire rate, better HE-VT, better gun handling. Do I need to go on ?
You mean how I used global stats to point out a few things ?
A) NO IT DOESNT
B) No, it really doesnt. The Sgt. York is slower, bigger, bulkier. Lacks APFSDS meaning it cant deal with tanks. And while it has a radar which at its BR with limited CAS RWR planes is good enough, bringing that thing to higher BRs is one solid way to get killed with guided weaponry, something that at 9.0 is still limited in amount.
2S38 is at higher BR where guided weapons are more common.
More rounds sure, more fire rate sure, but lacks a dart, and the only other round to proxy is a SAPHE round with roughly 38mm flatpen. Which is pretty much incomparable to the rounds available to 2S38 as both the APCBC and dart have vastly more effective pen value.
Better HEVT is debatable, 1 extra meter of range at the cost of nearly half the explosive mass.
And better gun handling is whatever, 2S38 has gun handling good enough where its able to reliably follow fast planes so this is kinda a moot point.
No i mean how you misrepresented the statistics to fit your narrative without looking at context or using nuance.
Global stats encompass thousands of players and as such tell us much more than just a singular experience. I already told you this but you can’t understand it properly.
Premium vehicles don’t perform worse than their TT counterparts, so all this parroting is yet another myth that’s widely accepted on this forum.
So… you could have just answered “yes i looked only on stat shark stats and build my entire foundation of my argument on that alone”
Premium vehicles are available to be bought by people that are new to the game. By this very fact they are quite literally forced to have worse player performance than their “counterparts” in the TT. This isnt parroting anything, its using your brain and thinking for a second. You widely accepted myth of the forums.
I’ll remind you of my opening post here to you, just a couple of replies up but you somehow forgot what I wrote.
2S38 is worse against planes than Strela or even M247.
It being bulkier and without darts have no impact on it’s AA performance.
You can turn off the radar if you want, not like 2S38 has one to begin with.
Read above.
I guess this is nearly half.
No I didn’t but thanks for sharing your opinion.
You still don’t get it, impressive.
That’s your opinion, now point at the higher tier premium that performs worse than it’s copy paste TT variant ?
M1 Abrams and KVT are probably best example since its a pure copy paste, clickbait and M1A1 HC works as well.
Most other arent pure copy paste so that wouldnt be fair and also some examples lack nuance and context like in the case of fuji and type 90 which saw constant downtiers prior to BR change and wasnt played by many prior to the addition of fuji that made japan be more prevalent in the amount of players.
That was a mistake on my part. I agree, it is still lower but not as much as i remembered.
Bulkier and something you disregarded slower and bigger does matter. Being taller and bulkier makes you easier to be spotted, both by tanks and planes. So it matters both in the context of “against planes” and also against tanks, which all SPAAs inevitably face.
Being slow makes getting into good SPAA positions harder and makes getting caught by tanks more probable
Also thats before you even consider the context of the planes the vehicle faces.
You are welcome. Unfortunately something tells me that you will continue sharing yours.
Pot, kettle, black.
They still don’t perform any worse.
They’re actually better lol.
You were fast at removing that one.
That’s true.
Context doesn’t matter as I implied M247 is better, so no BR is needed.
That thing would be better AA at 10.3 than 2S38.
it was left unfinished and i scrapped it thats why it didnt make sense. And it was when i was writing about the fuji so the context was around that
I disagree, but i feel like this is just pointless bickering at this point.
Premiums from minor nations tend to perform even better than their TT variants, while premiums in major nations tend to be on par with TT variants.
It’s probably veterans that are sick of grinding 7th-8th-9th TT with a bunch of copypaste slop just buying minor nations’ premiums to ease the grind.
That said, premiums performing worse than TT variants is simply an unfounded claim that has spread through the forum like wildfire. Just like 2S38 being some “final boss” type of a vehicle that is grossly undertiered. At this point it can go up to 10.7 and 11.0 would already be stretching it.
There isn’t a 12.0+ game I play that I don’t see the 2S38 in.
It does perfectly fine as a tank killer vs 12.0 tanks/helicopters
to say it would somehow suffer at 11.0 or 11.3 doesn’t make any sense.
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It can kill helicopter rushers, but that can be said for 9.0 AAs as well.
11.0 is the upper limit of where I’d put it, as even at 10.3 it isn’t performing spectacular to begin with.
amount of 2s38’s I see on 12.7 is absurd, surely it’s an useless vehicle on its own br.
btw, killing them on 12.7 will barely give you any SP, which is truly how it should be