NATO tank loading times

It doesn’t take long, as you are already climbing the tree as a default, you aren’t “Grinding” specifically crew until after you have reached top tier and by then you should already have maxed reload rate and perhaps even experted it.

The crew leveling isn’t a separate thing, it happens alongside the tree- traversal.

hyperbole but sure, the climb of a tree is in my opinion to long, but again that has nothing to do with this.

From the time you reach rank 7 ground until you have rank 8 tanks and a maxed reload on crew (and most likely expert on crew) is like 4 weeks. so there is only really a month where you are at a disadvantage and in that case only with the Merkava’s and leopards and only when facing T-80’s or Japanese top tier. all other manual loaders are faster by default and all other autoloaders are slower by default.

Not really, if you need to surpass the reload, just 1 single upgrade of your loader will do, for Germany, I have already maxed out all of my loading skills so it will also be faster than T-72s. Also we are in a conversation about top tier, what’s the point if you haven’t grinded it and is actively playing it? If you are, then it is quicker to get to top tier than to max out loader.

Do you feel the research/SL has gone down? Like I feel like I used to be able to take around 10k RP for 10 kills 0 death in GAB, now it is GRB, and tier 6 vs 7 as well. I mean ARB I get 5 kills but only 5k RP is sad.

It should just be consistent instead of doing whatever when it’s convenient.
Artificially buffing these vehicles’ reload speed is a direct nerf to tanks that rely on reload speed as well.

Slower is always realistic.

I personally don’t.
I think it’s faster to go from bottom to top now than it was 2 years ago.
Cant really speak for the actual math of it but it feels faster, but i still think in general that it is to slow.

IDK about 2 years ago exactly, I joined just before the May boycott, but since getting to top tier China 1 year ago, it has been kinda slow to grind both air and ground, even if someone gifted me a ZTZ96A(p). It’s either everyone is getting better and my K/D is going down, or just simply me getting worse?

Now that just isn’t true though.

For manual loaders it’s always true, for auto-loaders it’s true for programmable systems such as Leclerc, Type 10, K2, etc.
Leclerc’s is programmed to run at 6 seconds for example, but can be changed down to 5 seconds, or be made slower.
Of course for analogue autoloaders like AMX-13 it’s a static 6 seconds.

Fairly sure that a crew in an actual fight for their lives would load faster than what they do on a day at the range.
Then again Bradley crew would also keep their launcher deployed and ATGM vehicles would fire on the move if need be, but Gaijin likes to pretend official doctrine needs to be applied in an actual war because reasons.

Try going 25+ mph cross country and reload a 120mm, I dare you.

(Have fun breaking a bone or two!)

Key wording here “always”.
Would it be realistic if it took 100 years per round? 100k years?
No, the loader would pass away before being done or the tank rust to dust. Not realistic.

In most cases yes, it would still fall within the definition of realistic, but absolutely not “always”.
And it would very fast fall outside the definition of accurate.

Not really. Doctrine has crews take more time between shots than the reload.

Talking about doctrine in this case doesn’t really make any sense does it? Gaijin wouldn’t include that in game.

They sort of do, IIRC the CV9040 Bill and Bradley can drive with the ATGM launcher deployed and fire on the move IRL (but doesn’t because of doctrine). In game you can’t do any of that.

Glad we agree on that.

Yeah i was specifically talking about this:

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Doctrine, haha, when a war breaks out, last thing soldiers think about is doctrine, it instantly goes to staying alive.

True, but you also said:

Which we can’t be certain about. They currently don’t, but nothing’s stopping them from doing so in the future (it would be very dumb, but still).

You mean abrooms, chally and leopard right?

Leclerc is autoloading like the Type 90.