Namer's at same br as bmpt

[SadRIPer]

Every IFVs suck, except russian IFVs.

[Zahltag]

Puma with spikes: “First time?”

[Zahltag]

Clown. If you say the shitty implemented aps is a factor you haven’t played the game. Are you a gaijin dev by chance?

[Zahltag]

Whaaat noooo the puma totally looks like it couldn’t stop a frontal 30mm round from shredding the crew /s

Also gaijin couldn’t be bothered to model the puma armor as modular like it is irl…

@CollectorOfSins

Devs are just lazy

Duh

@LeroyStaufer

Atakas are meh

@LeroyStaufer

you also need to guide the missile unlike the Spike

Don’t make your trolling so obvious…

@LeroyStaufer

having to work with feelings instead of data. BMPT does not have APS.

the bmptrash also doesn’t have all the stuff they gave it in game. Like external internal fuel and ammo…

@CollectorOfSins

Try to do the same with 4 spikes in a row with MBTs.

I shot two spikes at two strykers. ZERO damage.

@LeroyStaufer

can also shot down helicopers

If you ever used it you’d know this is the only thing it kills consistently…

@LeroyStaufer

APS was (and is) working as intended

Again, maybe play the game? No? Also funny how the ruskoid ignores the russian aps tanks multiple nato missile carriers face.

@LeroyStaufer

vindicated in your belief that easterns weapons are inferior in every way to the glorious german engineering

Their greatest drone (shahed) is a copy of a copy of a copy of a german cold war anti radar design…

[CollectorOfSins]

I stopped caring after he started having delusions about Europa. He’s clearly lost his shit when I called him out on several things. Well that’s BMPT defender #5 on this forum. Who’s next?

[Zahltag]

i have actually never met these smoke popping germans, only ruskoids with their ess system right out of spawn.

Is it a US server thing?

[jamal_is_cool1]

I’ll ignore the personal remark and stick to the vehicle comparison.

Mobility:
Yes, BMPT is faster than most MBTs on paper (still not as fast as the T80s) , but mobility in WT isn’t just top speed. Puma accelerates faster, turns better. That matters far more than a +10 km/h top speed in real matches.

With-drawing from fights is essential so having 30KMPH is WAY better than having 4KMPH!.. the BMPT can get one/ two shotted so withdrawing is VITAL, especially if the gunner is out, turret ring is broken.

Survivability :
it doesn’t change the fact that it’s still vulnerable to the same weak areas as Russian MBTs. Puma’s survivability comes from spacing, crew layout, APS (when functional), and not presenting a massive silhouette in the first place.

UAV & classing:
Class labels don’t change battlefield impact. UAVs provide situational awareness that directly wins fights, while extra ATGM count only matters if you survive long enough to fire them. Different strengths, but pretending UAVs aren’t valuable is ‘garbage’.

Optics:
12× is “enough” in a small maps, but better thermals and sight clarity absolutely matter at range and through trees (at long range + when the enemy have got bushes on their tank ), which is where Puma consistently performs better.

40 mm vs BMPT armament:
The 40 mm does matter when you’re facing MBTs

APS:
APS being inconsistent in WT is a valid — but that applies to multiple Russian vehicles as well (T80UK, T90A) .

@CollectorOfSins

He’s clearly lost his shit when I called him out on several things. Well that’s BMPT defender #5 on this forum. Who’s next?

hah. never!

[jamal_is_cool1]

@Zahltag

only ruskoids with their ess system

Black Night, M1A2 SEP V2, BM Oplot-T, VT4A1, Merkava Mk.4M, ect,ect they all have ESS.

[CollectorOfSins]

@jamal_is_cool1

Puma accelerates faster, turns better.

By how much? Be real here

@jamal_is_cool1

that it’s still vulnerable to the same weak areas as Russian MBTs.

Its not, its easier to kill a t90m than the BMPT. The models are different, they didn’t just copy paste the same hull. If they did, no one would be complaining.

@jamal_is_cool1

Puma’s survivability comes from spacing, crew layout, APS (when functional), and not presenting a massive silhouette in the first place.

The crew is lined up in a line, One APFSDS rod to the side and front and back will take it out. Only case it won’t is if the enemy whiffs their shot and hits the engine, similar to the markava. BMPT has 2 on the top and 3 on the bottom. Much harder to take out all of them in one shot. And it’s still missing it’s frontal nato level 6 armor frontally it should be immune to the BMPT from the front but isn’t. The BMPT has ERA everywhere and amazing bugged model giving it more armor than it should have while the Puma doesn’t even have the armor it should have in the first place.

@jamal_is_cool1

UAVs provide situational awareness that directly wins fights

Scouting an enemy every once in a while. Gives the puma an eye in the sky and the rest of the team cannot see.

@jamal_is_cool1

while extra ATGM count only matters if you survive long enough to fire them

Yes and the problem is the BMPT can survive for far too long to use all 4 ATGMs. And they can spam them while Puma has to get a hard lock. Sometimes a soft lock won’t let us fire spikes too and of course we all know spikes are hella bugged rn while ATAKAs can gurantee kills.

@jamal_is_cool1

Different strengths, but pretending UAVs aren’t valuable is ‘garbage’.

Never said it was garbage?

@jamal_is_cool1

12× is “enough” in a small maps, but better thermals and sight clarity absolutely matter at range and through trees (at long range + when the enemy have got bushes on their tank ), which is where Puma consistently performs better.

You do realize the BMPT can see anything white and spray and kill while the PUMA has a much slower firerate. I’ve shot many tanks and the slow firerate gave it time to react or run away. BMPT on the other hand can take out MBTs much faster.

@jamal_is_cool1

hah. never!

You absolute bafoon read for the love of god. I wasn’t even talking about you but the crazy dude underneath your reply. The world does not revolve around you.

[jamal_is_cool1]

@CollectorOfSins

The world does not revolve around you.

man i am a “defender of the BMPT”

the PUMA accelerates fater because it has a higher power to weight ratio, turns faster becasue it’s ligher (+ T72s have TERRIBLE turn rate)

WAY BETTER than the 2S38:

[Perinvisus]

The 2S38 can frontally engage MBTs at it’s BR and easily come out the victor. The PUMA? Not as much. And no, the PUMA isn’t any more survivable than the 2S38. Just a lot bigger.

[CollectorOfSins]

@jamal_is_cool1

WAY BETTER than the 2S38:

Yo bro go get checked out for Alzheimer’s or dementia. Where did 2S38 come from???

@jamal_is_cool1

(+ T72s have TERRIBLE turn rate)

Uh huh it’s terrible at turning…

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[TampaxOnline]

@SnailStoleMySoul

Is there any logical answer as to why the Namer (both versions) are the same br as the Bmpt’s? It’s an objective fact that the Bmpts are better than the Namer’s in almost every single way, let’s make a list.

Firstly, mobility. The BMPT’s have a higher top speed, the Namer is the slowest IFV/APC in game at 33 MPH, on the other hand the BMPT has a top speed of 37 MPH which is not the fastest but is still very good. The BMPT also accelerates faster and is more agile than the Namer’s.

Secondly is their armor. The Merkava’s (which the namer’s share a hull with) are not especially well armored… From the front just about any APFS-DS round from a large caliber cannon can easily penetrate it. The sides, like many other vehicles, are also rather weak. However the Bmpt’s have top tier level protection from the front. There are only really two weak spots, them being the lower front plate and driver’s sight. To auto cannons the BMPT is ((almost)) impossible to disable frontally let alone destroy. The sides are no worse, with extremely good ERA to stop both chemical munitions and even standard projectiles and then spal liners in addition. The vehicle is a complete upgrade in protection compared to the Namer’s and the only advantage the Namer Tsrikhon has is the APS which is not especially useful in my experience.

Thirdly, Fire power. In a purely objective way one might say the Namer’s have better weapons because of the fact the Bush Master auto cannon has a higher penetration amount and the spike missile’s are fire and forget. However in real gameplay this is not the case. Having a weapon that fires as fast as the BMPT’s auto cannon is much more useful than the small amount of extra penetration the Bush Master gives. With a higher fire rate vehicles from the front can have their tracks disabled, then their weapons (either order) and from the side it is better to be able to quickly destroy a vehicle which gives the BMPT’s weapons an advantage because of their speed. The extra penetration is also almost never helpful as most vehicles from the front are able to survive the shots from the front without taking damage and the vehicles that have less armor and can be killed can also be killed by the BMPT’s which will do it faster because of their fire rate. (Gun depression is also a factor but since most vehicles are not able to be destroyed frontally by the Namer’s this is irrelevant and the next point also states a reason why.) The ammo amount is also different as the BMPT has lots of ammo and is very hard to ignite while the Namer has all of its ammo stored in the turret which when hit leaves no ammo and makes the gun useless until resupplied. The missiles are both very different missiles, while the Spike missile is inconsistent and only seems to work well on extremely lightly armored vehicles and has a low destruction return rate the 9m120-1 missile for the BMPT is able to kill very heavily armored vehicles quite consistently and is much easier to use.

So in conclusion the Namer’s and BMPT’s currently sit at the same br but one is objectively better than the other in every single way except three, them being pennitration (stated before as being obsolete) a Active protection system and gun depression all of which are obscurities which are in almost every case when in battle useless.

This needs to be resolved, the Namer’s either need a br decrease or the BMPT’s need to continue to raise in br and in my opinion the correct move would be to do both.

The debate over vehicle Battle Ratings (BR) often boils down to game balance, player perception, and historical performance data. In the case of the Namer and BMPT, here are some insights:

1. Vehicle Role and Design Philosophy: Both vehicles serve different roles. The Namer is an Infantry Fighting Vehicle (IFV) with a focus on troop protection and support, while the BMPT is designed as a tank support and direct fire vehicle. The design philosophies influence how these vehicles are balanced in-game.

2. Mobility Considerations: While the Namer is slower, its role as a heavily armored troop carrier justifies its reduced speed compared to the more nimble BMPT that’s designed for direct engagements.

3. Armor: The differences in armor types reflect real-world applications where the BMPT is designed for urban warfare and has ERA (Explosive Reactive Armor), giving it an edge in certain conditions. Meanwhile, the Namer’s armor is focused on troop protection.

4. Firepower: The Namer’s heavy Bushmaster auto-cannon and Spike missiles offer a different set of tactical advantages that might be overlooked in faster-paced matches. The BMPT excels with rate of fire but might lack precision and penetration in certain scenarios.

5. Balance and Meta: Game developers often adjust BRs based on balance data and player feedback. If one vehicle consistently outperforms another, adjustments are likely to be made.

A BR change could be considered for further testing based on broader community input and statistical analysis of their performance in matches. Would you like to explore more detailed strategies on using these vehicles effectively in their current state?

[jamal_is_cool1]

@CollectorOfSins

terrible at turning…

if stopped… if moving EVERYTHING has a good turn rate

the 2S38 was the only thing i could think of to compare to the PUMA

[CollectorOfSins]

So…don’t neutral steer…

@jamal_is_cool1

the 2S38 was the only thing i could think of to compare to the PUMA

True this is a better comparasion. I don’t know why people try to compare the BMPT to the PUMA when they’re completely different.

[_Renzo]

I play on EU servers. It’s mostly contained at certain BRs.

German mains do it a lot around 5.7-7.7 while the US mains do it a lot at 10.7-12.7 (any BR that has an Abrams really).

[Zahltag]

they don’t annoy their team with it

[Mizzar1529-live]

OH so that thing on the top its a fucking APS!!! i though it was a commander camera or something! never knew PUMA had APS since i never saw it WORKING. lol

[Perinvisus]

I would honestly take the 2S38 over the PUMA at almost any time. People whining about survivability forget how easy to disable the the PUMA is at which point it’s an easy kill. Hell 50cal can kill the PUMA from the back because the armor is that terrible according to Gaijin.

[gfdsa_killer]

Against light to no armored targets its good. But against medium, heavy and mbts it often just get eated the jet fuse by a module/fuel tank or do little damage as just killing 1 crew member.

Rather use APDS.