There is nothing stopping you from reporting both of these machines. They were both created, so you can report them.
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I didn’t have access to the second source you wrote about. Now I will be able to add it to the sources. Thank you very much :D
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His info is wrong is the problem. Only one of the 2 submarines sank and it was the one carrying the Me-262 and Me-163.
The engines, key witness accounts, pictures, blueprints and documentation were in the other.
I have considered making suggestions for them but have limitted time between work and kther hobbies.
Honestly, if I wasn’t making other suggestions for Japan at this point, I would have submitted them
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It is quite a bit more fake than that.
Fist off, the F-16AJ in game is based on the production model F-16A Block 10. This is the same model that was proposed to Japan in the first F-16J proposal that was competing with the F-14 and F-15.
However, despite seemingly representing the first proposal, the aircraft in game is able to carry radar missiles on the inner underwing missile pylons. This was not a capability of the F-16J.
Second, the F-16AJ as a distinct name is only part of the second F-16J proposal, that in the brochure differentiated between F-16AJ and F-16BJ. This is not the same proposal, as we know the first was denied for lack of radar guided weaponry, which were included in the second proposal (albeit too late).
This proposal also differs a lot from the aircraft in game, as it is instead based on the second YF-16A prototype, instead of an F-16A Block 10 airframe.
It also included its experimental Sparrow mounts. Most prominently were the landing gear door mounted hardpoints, however all underwing missile pylons and the wingtips were also shown in the brochure to mount them.
And lastly, TV guided bombs (likely GBU-8 as seen on the US F-16A Block 10) were also advertised in the brochure.
But all of this is technically irrelevant, as it is actually nether two proposals. It’s based on a Gaijin imagined what-if scenario where Japan decided to adopt the F-16AJ over the more capable F-15, but somehow decided to downgeadw it for the sole reason that other F-16 users were content with the basic F-16 performance. Gaijin actually put out a whole disclaimer about this when it was released.
I personally find their what-if quite a bit unrealistic though, considering the only F-16 derivative Japan ever accepted was the already very much improved SX-3, which itself was then improved quite extensively into what is now the F-2. But apparently Gaijin knows better and Japan just wants a standard F-16 with two Sparrows over the F-15…
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Right but thats not my point. What Gaijin added has very little to do with what Japan looked at buying, you’re totally correct. But what we have in game isn’t a paper plane. Its extremely close to the F-16A MLU in the Chinese tree. This isn’t a plane that never flew. Its not something that Gaijin is making up performance numbers on. Its a 100% real plane that Gaijin spraypainted some red circles on.
That is not at all comparable to an aircraft that never flew. The AJ is an entirely different form of bad idea from Gaijin and shouldn’t be used to justify what if stuff. Especially since the Ki-201 won’t help Japan a lot. Super especially because if Gaijin does start adding blueprint planes that will massively advantage the USA and USSR. No Gaijin won’t stop at giving minor nations blueprints, there is too much money to be made from the odd stuff cooked up by Mikoyan or Northrop.
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Wouldn’t go that far considering it’s currently a Block 10 which wasn’t compatible with Sparrows at all. But I get where you’re coming from when you say flight performance exists on the Block 10 already.
Then again I’d prefer an aircraft that never flew or even a proposal accurately represented over a made up aircraft that is “closer to something real”.
Especially thy way Gaijin likes to represent their game I am afraid people will think War Thunders F-16AJ for example would be a real thing. What I’m missing in War Thunder is transparency.
If they’d add vehicles to best match available spource material, and then included some form of indication which stage of development it was on that would be an amazing step up in my opinion.
Perhaps this could even go hand in hand with a communitiy Wiki project that (unlike the current one) focuses on collecting sources and presenting articles on the vehicles in game, but that might be a step too far for now.
Of course not, but currently the limit of “unfinished prototype” is the limit for all suggestions, so the Ki-201 wouldn’t change anything in that regard.
It isn’t that major nations can’t have those suggested and added now, it’s just that they have more alternatives to them that they are disregarded. Japan for example cuts off in vehicle variety abruptly from rank 5 onwards so it is only natural it is suggested already.
I don’t think we’ll see pure blueprints anytime soon though, as Gaijin seems to be preparing subtrees for nations that currently lack. Those might give us an extra couple of years before that becomes ncessary and likely even delay unfinished designs further.
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Thats the suggestion limit but they don’t really tend to implement planes that never left the ground effect anymore. I think they just have the suggestion limit lower to see what people dredge up.
Personally I’d consider “pure blueprint” and “made the engines” effectively the same 90% of the time. Most proposals involve an existing engine. I agree Gaijin is likely to hold off on never flew stuff for as long as they can, its their branding afterall. But given how much of a mess and how much complaining some of the Soviet ships cause I want that to be as long as possible so I’m against anything that brings it closer. So I have a blanket no to every plane that never flew, even the ones I like and kinda want to fly.
That probably is the case, though I remember the F-16AJ was implemented despite later information even disqualifying it and having the suggestion removed.
So I’d say 99% of the time they’d pobviously prefer a real aircraft, but they don’t completely disregard their options.
Fair enough, in terms of information available they probably are.
Suggestion rules say this is a vehicle specific part since the engines were specifically for the Ki-201, which technically makes them specifically parts of the Ki-201 that were completed, rather than some existing engines.
I can’t speak for everyone obviously, but I feel like these have a very bad reputation for being “the best” upon introduction. It feels like Gaijin is specifically digging in less complete designs to bring one nation to the top. The same reaction happened to the F-16AJ from other nations if I remember correctly, since it was the best F-16 at the time.
Then again ships do have quite a bit different development, withthe design essentially being fully complete before construction rather than having a prototype phase that planes would have in which the design can be modified or changed.
I wrote those articles about Ki-201 and Ne-130. This was the situation of Ki-201:
- Made wind tunnel models
- Made full sized sectional mockup of cockpit according to accounts
- Started making full-sized mockup, examination was scheduled in August 1945
- Started construction preparations, completed full-scale manufacturing drawings
- Basic design completed, detailed design 50% completed
- Prototype 0% completed
Problems with my article I later found out (it was written 6 years ago):
I did not mention that full-scale construction drawings had been made.
I said that 3 Ne-230 engines were built and bombed. In fact, as many as 5 Ne-230 engines may have been built, and they were probably not bombed as some books claim. Rather, they were destroyed when the war ended.
Ne-130 section is still accurate.
Personally I consider this to be a paper plane. I suppose one could argue that it had “vehicle specific components” made, but I think it is unlikely to be implemented to this game, even though I would want to see it.
However, there is no evidence in primary sources that an actual Ki-201 prototype was in any stage of assembly, despite what some books claim. The real development process was already exceptionally fast considering that the design process started perhaps as late as April, 1945.
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Just saying, we are watching the thread. So behave.
Suggestion has guidelines which must be followed.
Now, a Vehicle suggested may never be accepted by Gaijin into game. But as a suggestion it can be allowed.
Please understand that
P.S. I am one of the few Japanese people who can dig deeper in research for this vehicle
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As the creator of this suggestion, I will be grateful for any additional information about the ki-201
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Thank You for clearing up the info about this plane.
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if the prototype was started then yes, but at this point it is too paper
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Honestly, it’s a neat plane so it has my +1, not to mention Japan needs all the vehicles it can get. Honestly, I don’t see the issue with paper things, as long as they’re fully designed and finalized I say go ahead and add them. There seems to be this unnatural fear that just because a couple of paper things are added we’re all of a sudden going to have WoT 2.0 rather than WT. But honestly, this game has a long way to go before it becomes anything like WoT, just my two cents
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For the R2Y2 the fuselage of the aircraft was built and flown as the R2Y Keiun, the R2Y2 Keiun Kai was a proposal to replace its Aichi Ha-70 piston engine with 2 Mitsubishi Ne-330 Turbo-Jets. While the Ne-330 was an unfinished prototype the air frame was proto-typed and flew in its prop configuration.
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Is it possible that two versions, one with the Ne-130 and one with the Ne-230, could be added? Specifically for the gap between the Ki-84 hei and the Ki-200, as that is a huge gap and anything that could cover it (two fighters in this instance) would be helpful.
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+1, from reading the discussion above I’m convinced it scrapes past the realm of fantasy, and it fulfills a very longstanding gap in the Japanese tree. Discussion of the Ki-201 date back since when the Korean War was the official cutoff of the game, and its high time it finally makes its presence in game, and back then, instead of the Ki-201, we got the R2Y2 family – which, at least for the V1 is fine, save for the entirely fictional Ne330 engines, but the subsequent variants which changed up aerodynamic/intake configuration were definitely too far imo (made sense for back then’s game balancing at least)
Regarding comparison to the F-16AJ situation, I believe its inclusion in the game is a “temporary positive”, it was fine given Japan would’ve had to wait an entire additional year to catch up with the F-15J, but now there should be serious plans to replace it with a real F-16 variant, and it seems a Thai F-16A is the perfect contender especially if a Thai subtree were to happen.
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The real Ho-Ri was partially built, but it was based on a Chi-Ri hull without the steeply angled UFP we see in-game.
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