The su-30sm is HEAVY! Sure it has thrust vectoring but it handles like a su-33 with a very bad sustained turn rate.
On the other hand, the j11b is the current best sustained turn rating flanker, better than the su-27. For now it still has the old radar and as such, it is not 14.0 material, but we’ll see if it gets updated.
Quick tests with max instructor deflection turn rate (not max sustained turn rate which is around 800kph+ IAS)
j11/a - 16.5deg/s 390kph IAS
su-27 - 17.1deg/s 392kph IAS
su-27sm - 17.2deg/s 403kph IAS
j11b - 17.6deg/s 407kph IAS
su-30sm - 15deg/s at 377kph IAS
su-33 - about the same as the su-30sm
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What can’t be? The su-30sm is still very dangerous since it can just point the nose and spam missiles in a merge
If the J-11 can make it to the merge, 96 CMs to defend against 12 missiles, the math on that means you have exactly 8 chaff per missile if no flares are brung, even less if you bring some flares to evade the remaining R-73s
The J-11B radar is currently a placeholder, it’s copied from the J-11A iirc. The J-11B is also currently lacking double racks for the PL-12 under the engines, meaning the J-11B should be able to carry 10x PL-12s and 2x PL-8Bs at the same time.
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And many other jets will have a worse position since the J-11 can at least tight those turns, a F-16 or F-15 will probably be easy food if the su-30sm has a few r73 and r77 left in a merge
I think those pylons from the picture of the prototype were rocket pylons. I may be wrong though.
I’m 90% sure it’s double rack pylons for the PL-12s, the J-11B and J-11A can’t carry double rack pylons for rockets under the engines but only on the 3rd and 8th pylons.
It would probably be similar in function to the J-10As double rack pylons for the PL-12s, trialed but never used in service (or at least on a mass scale).
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I’m not entirely sure and would need to put in more research, I’ll get back to you if I find anything.
This was always going to be the case. Su-30SM’s engines are heavier due to the thrust vectoring, plus the airframe itself.
It`s quite a bit heavier IRL, what did you expect?
may the snail god hear you
Also i’ve noticed that the su-30sm might have the wrong engines since it has the same static thrust as the normal su-27/j11. (measured in-game against a building)
The j11b has the same static thrust output as the su-27sm.
So I guess the su-30sm will get even more OP
The AL-31FP has the exact same thrust as the AL-31F. 12,500 kgf outside the airframe. It will not get better engines unless Gaijin decides to give it the AL-41s that the Su-35 uses. They’ve been mounted on SM2s and Gaijin could decide to add them. But no, current thrust is correct.
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From what i remember the double pylons were tested with the r77
Thats good, stronger engines would make it way too OP
Alright, from the looks of it it appears to unfortunately be double bomb racks
J-11B
Vertical and than Perpendicular structure
Dual Bomb
Vertical and than Perpendicular structure, even has the overhang from the J-11 photo
Dual PL-12
No connection on the bottom side so obviously not this one
These ones have the bottom connection, but also have that downward tilt. So not the same.
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Why? Nothing indicates that AL-31FP has more thrust over the AL-31F and the Su-30SM would still fly like shit
The image I provided shows a double pylon extensions but instead of it usually being placed on the 3rd or 8th pylon, it’s under the J-11Bs engines - we funnily enough already have these present in-game.
Issue however - we already have bomb racks which allow for the usage of multiple dumb bombs under the engines for the J-11A and therefor J-11B, there wouldn’t be a reason to use new racks for something which is already covered.
The J-11B image also showcases a possibly longer variant than the one we’ve already got present in-game, this is why I believe the usage would’ve been for A2A purposes only - these double pylons also function similarly to the ones found on the J-10A, as they require additional bottom launch rails.
J-11A In-Game
J-11B
It’s either I’m going crazy and the PLAAF randomly wanted additional rockets and dumb bombs or the J-11B did indeed trial duel pylons for the PL-12, meaning we could see a loadout of 10x PL-12s and 2x PL-8Bs.
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