My research

Armen_Lozone · May 20, 2024, 6:14pm

Vehicles

Leopard 1A6: moved below
Panther II: moved below
PUMA prototype: moved below

Wiesel 1 ATM HOT

HOT-1,2,3 + M2HB 12.7mm HMG

https://forum.warthunder.com/t/wiesel-1-hot-atm-the-3-in-1-tank-destroyer/131780 - Google Zoeken

Wiesel 1 Twin HOT

https://forum.warthunder.com/t/wiesel-1-hot-atm-the-3-in-1-tank-destroyer/131780 - Google Zoeken

Wiesel 1 RMK-30/Wiesel 1 RMK-30 + HOT

Germany Ground Tech Tree
https://forum.warthunder.com/t/wiesel-1-hot-atm-the-3-in-1-tank-destroyer/131780 - Google Zoeken

E-25

Entwicklungsfahrzeug 25 (E 25) - Tank Encyclopedia

Spz 1C

Spähpanzer 1C - Tank Encyclopedia

Leopard 1 proto

(standard panzer)

Helicopters

Bo-105 PAH-1A2

[1.0] MBB Bo 105 & Airbus H135

Bo-105 LS A-3

Aircraft

Alpha jet WTD-61

Alpha jet WTD 61

Project ROSE

VAK 191B

Propulsion
The propulsion was provided by a Rolls-Royce/MTU RB.193-12 swivel jet engine and two Rolls-Royce RB.162-81 lift engines. The RB.193 lift/cruise engine was a two-shaft turbofan similar to the Bristol Siddeley Pegasus of the Kestrel/Harrier. It had four rotating side nozzles, which were adjusted by a Plessey pneumatic motor via cardan shafts and chains over a swivel range of 95 degrees. The air intake was optimized for cruising at Mach 0.92, but offered an additional opening for hovering and slow flight thanks to a movable front section. The two RB.162-81 lift engines were installed at a rearward incline of 12.5 degrees. In later versions, their jets were to be deflected by fuselage flaps.

Thrust and lift
The designers were convinced that this division between lift/thrust and lift engines represented the best compromise between the required take-off power and economical fuel consumption in high-speed flight. In terms of their arrangement, they offered positive ground effects, at least compared to a design with separate lift and thrust engines.

For control and stabilization in hover and transition flight, air was taken from all engines and blown out separately via a redundant pipe system at the wing tips and at the fuselage nose and tail to generate torque. The air nozzles required for this were directly connected to the rudders.

Control
The control torques in the pitch axis were further increased by modulating the thrusts of the two lift engines. In the event of a lift engine failure, the automatic flight control system would have taken over control of the remaining lift thrust and kept the aircraft in a horizontal position to enable the pilot to eject using the Martin Baker Mk 9 ejection seat in a normal flight attitude. The pilot’s commands on the VAK 191 B were not transmitted mechanically to the rudder servo motors, but electrically, with triple redundancy using a flight controller - known today as fly-by-wire. In the event of a total failure of the electrical flight control, the rudder servo motors could still be controlled mechanically by automatically closing a clutch. The high-pressure hydraulic system worked at 4000 psi, a value that is rarely achieved even today. Due to the requirement With regard to the range at transonic cruising speeds close to the ground, particular attention was paid during the design to ensuring that the pilot should only be exposed to a tolerable level of acceleration in gusty weather. For this purpose, wings with a high wing loading, a small aspect ratio and a relatively large leading edge sweep were chosen, which were arranged in a high position due to the central position of the swivel jet engine and had a negative V position. To reduce the conventional landing speed and to shorten the transition distances, the wing was equipped with trailing edge camber flaps. In addition, the ailerons could be deflected downwards in the same direction.

Self-sufficient system
To make the aircraft independent of external energy sources in unprepared areas, a KHD T112 small gas turbine that could be started using a battery was installed at the rear. Coupled with a hydraulic pump and a generator, this auxiliary power unit supplied electrical, hydraulic and pneumatic energy for starting up the aircraft. In flight, this system served as an emergency power supply.

The landing gear, fitted with low-pressure tires, had brakes in the nose and main gear and nose wheel steering. A braking parachute was provided to shorten the roll-out distance during a horizontal landing.

Armament
The cargo area under the main engine was four meters long, 88 cm wide and 60 cm high. It was to be equipped with equipment sets pre-loaded on the ground. The early brochures of the Vereinigte Flugtechnische Werke list armament alternatives such as

▶ 1 x 450 kg bomb plus 115 kg equipment

▶ 2 x 450 kg bombs plus 115 kg equipment

▶ 4 x 225 kg bombs

▶ 2 extendable rocket launchers, each with 54 x 7 cm rockets.

Camera systems or on-board cannons and a 1700 l tank were also conceivable. Ultimately, however, an extensive on-board measuring and telemetry system was installed here, which made it possible to record, process, save and transmit the data generated during testing to a ground station. Of the total of 450 possible measured values, 260 could be recorded simultaneously on PCM and FM channels.

Cockpit
When designing the cockpit, it was taken into account that a V/STOL aircraft also spends more than 90 percent of its flight time as a conventional aircraft. The V/STOL-related additions were limited to the lift engine power lever, the cruise engine swivel nozzle lever and some engine monitoring instruments that were installed for testing reasons.

Technical data

Museum piece: The VAK 191 B V2 is now in the Defense Technology Study Collection in Koblenz. Photo and copyright: Schwarz
VFW-Fokker VAK 191 B

Manufacturer: VFW (later VFW-Fokker), Bremen
Crew: 1 on Martin-Baker ejection seat
Engine: 1 x Rolls-Royce/MTU RB.193-12 plus 2 x Rolls-Royce RB.162-81 F 08
Thrust: 1 x 45.2 kN plus 2 x 26.65 kN
Length: 14.72 m
Height: 4.30 m
Wingspan: 6.16 m
Wing area: 12.5 m2
Empty weight: 5562 kg
Max. fuel: 2100 kg
Max. take-off weight: 8507 kg
Maximum speed: 1100 km/h
Cruising speed: 740 km/h (test flights only up to 665 km/h)
Climb rate: 36 m/s
Service ceiling: 14,500 m
Range: 370 – 400 km

VAK 191C

K-8NG

https://qr.ae/p2NE04

SPAA

Flakpanzer 341

https://youtu.be/ov1JJ72Xyvw

FlaRakRad (MAN 6x6)

Not needed strictly speaking but would be appreciated.
Could be added into the game at around 10.7 if VT-1 is removed.
(Exactly the same as the FlaRakRad)

Gepard 1A2 (EOTS II)

https://youtu.be/ax2HOYHKKMI
Flakpanzer Gepard upgrades | Secret Projects Forum

M113 pr ANZA SAM aur 2 14.5mm type 75-1 HMG

https://youtu.be/ihM3U34RVnY?t=5639

Hotspur Rheinmetall Twin 20 mm Mobile Gun Platform

SAMs

Roland M5: moved to pc
HFK/L2: moved to pc

ANZA

Missiles

Dornier/BGT Viper: moved below
SMAT AGM

PARS 3 MR + separate suggestion for JPz Fuchs

https://youtu.be/K_7ELXO7nA8?si=cw0pqQ4TldYMBKpE

Systems

ACMA MFRL: moved to pc

Stinger for Bo-105

MAWS/LWR sensor pod for Bo-105

More Bo-105 loadout options - Germany - War Thunder - Official Forum

Armen_Lozone · May 20, 2024, 7:14pm

SPz Puma prototype

Would you like to see the Puma prototype in game?

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The birth of a gladiator

I may be smaller, but my claws arent

History and testing (plagiarism needs to be removed)

The Puma (previously known as Igel (hedgehog) and Panther) began as a follow-up to Germany’s 1996 “NGP” project (Neue Gepanzerte Plattformen, “New Armoured Platforms”). The goal was to gather concepts for a shared base vehicle which could serve the purposes of an APC, an IFV, air defence, and a replacement or support for the MBT in front-line combat roles. In 2001, the NGP project came to an end.

In 1998, the new tactical concept known as neuer Schützenpanzer (“new IFV”) was developed taking into consideration the lessons learned. The Marder’s replacement, the Puma, was first planned in 2002. By the end of 2004, the German Army (Heer) had ordered five pre-production vehicles along with accompanying logistical and training services. A budget of €3 billion was agreed upon on November 8, 2007, for the purchase of 405 Pumas (not counting the five that had already been supplied to the German Army for trials).

The first two serial cars were turned over to the German Bundesamt für Wehrtechnik and Beschaffung on December 6, 2010.

In 2012, Puma underwent successful cold weather testing in Norway. For hot weather testing, two Pumas were transported to the United Arab Emirates in August 2013. Trials included mobility and firepower assessments, firing and driving manoeuvres in arid environments, and suitability for hot weather missions. The temperature profiles within the car were recorded during the experiments and compared to the outside air temperature.

The Puma IFV was authorised for operation on April 13, 2015 by the Federal Office of Bundeswehr Equipment, Information Technology, and In-Service Support (BAAINBw). Starting with the initial seven vehicles, this programme will “train the trainers” on further vehicles until the end of the year. At that point, a training centre will be established to provide Panzer Grenadiers of mechanised infantry companies with a three-month course to acquaint them with their Pumas. On June 24, 2015, the German military formally adopted the Puma.

Technical Specifications

Crew: 3
Armament(s): 30 mm (MK 30-2/ABM) / coaxial MG 4
Engine: MTU V10 892 diesel (1,088 metric horsepower (800 kW) at 4,250 r/min)
Max Speed: 70km+
Power/weight: 34.64 hp/T
Suspension: Hydroneumatic

— Mobility —
Weight:
Engine:
Top speed:
P/W:
Gearbox:
Suspension:

— Armament —
Main gun:

— Ammunition —
*

— Protection —
Hull (front, side, rear):
Turret (front, side, rear):

Differences from production Puma

Key:

Add-on UFP composite screen not on PUMA Early
Hull side composite screen not on PUMA Early
Hull side ERA not on PUMA Early
5 road wheels on PUMA early vs 6 on PUMA production
MUSS APS not on PUMA early
No gunsheild on PUMA early
Equal number of Smoke launchers but mounted on top rear of the turret in PUMA early [refer to pictures attached at end (picture # 2)]
NOTE: possible shorter hull length on PUMA early

Extra info here

Visual References

Puma prototype next to its predecessor, the Marder 2

Sources

Primary argument for this case:
Adding the prototype/early production versions of the PUMA as a lower BR replacement for the PUMA IFV to give the ranks a suitable LT.
See also:
https://forum.warthunder.com/t/muss-aps-made-a-modification/25326

Armen_Lozone · May 20, 2024, 8:10pm

Would you like to see this in game?

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slogan

history header

history

Testing

Technical Specifications

Missile calibre:
Launch weight:
Missile weight:
Missile length:
Missile acceleration:
Missile Thrust:
Maximum speed:
Maximum overload:
Warhead weight:
Warhead penetration:
Maximum range:

Extra info here

look at this alpha jet pylon
now look at this Viper pylon

They’re the same pylon

Visual References

Sources

Armen_Lozone · May 20, 2024, 8:43pm

Leopard VT-2 (1A6)

Would you like to see this in game?

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An expensive upgrade

German Ingenuity

history

Testing

Technical Specifications

Extra info here

Visual References

(German Leopard 1A6 VT-2 image). Six Leopard 1 s with the same weight as the VT-2 and VT-5 prototypes were prepared and different dynamic tests were carried out. The result was that the increase in weight had a very negative effect on the suspension and the engine, and it was also recommended to change the hydraulic drive and the gun stabilization system for an electric one. These poor results and the beginning of a time of general reduction of troops in the armed forces meant that this project also came to nothing.

(German Leopard 1A6 VT-2 image). The VT-2 prototype received a TZP-2 type armor upgrade, with the entire turret front and hull front being reinforced. It incorporated an IR fire reduction system by cooling the exhaust gases and also had an automatic fire detection and suppression system. This package of improvements supposed a weight increase of 4,600 kg.

(German Leopard 1A6 VT-2 & VT-5 image). In the late 1980s an attempt was made to create a package of gun and armor upgrades similar to that offered by Rheinmetall a few years earlier on their Leopard 1A6 prototype. This time two prototypes with different degrees of improvement called VT-2 and VT-5 were prepared, both keeping the 120/44mm smoothbore gun. In the VT-5 it was decided to apply a basic TZP-1 armor upgrade and add a PERI model RTW-90 sight. The pack was completed with an automatic fire detection and suppression system. These improvements increased the weight of the prototype VT-5 by 3,500 kg.

(German Leopard 1A6 image). In the early 1980s, the firm Rheinmetall privately began work to adapt the Leopard 2‘s 120/44mm smoothbore gun to the Leopard 1. For this task, a Leopard 1A1A1 was used, with a modified mantlet and turret interior. The idea was to enhance combat capacity and facilitate logistics tasks. However, if the conversion was successful, Leopard 1 users would be able to adopt it instead of having to purchase significantly more expensive third-generation MBTs. In 1985 the EMES-18 fire control system was installed on the prototype, but the project was cancelled in 1987.

Sources

Faster_Boiiiii · May 21, 2024, 8:36am

got a post for that as well

Armen_Lozone · May 21, 2024, 5:06pm

Resources Dump

Armen_Lozone · August 6, 2024, 11:10am

Panther II

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King Panther

No weaknesses

The PanzerKampfWagen V “Panther”, was one of the most produced and most effective armoured vehicles of the Second World War. Even regarded by some as the first MBT ever made, it struck fear into the hearts of those who faced it. At longer ranges, Allied crews would mistake it for the King Tiger heavy tank due to the similar shapes.

The Panther I was a game changer in many regards to the German armed forces in WWII. The frontal sloped armour, designed by taking inspiration from the soviet T-34s sloped UFP, proved highly effective and with German technology, it allowed the Army to outperform many allied tanks.

During its time the Panthers designers and engineers ironed out many faults and issues with the tank. It went through a number of different variants and gradually increased in its survivability and reliability. Then came the eastern front. Although the soviet T-34 tanks were no match for the panther tanks head on… A different enemy appeared. No, it was not the KV-1, or the KV-2, IS-1 or the IS-2. No, this enemy was smaller, much more nimble.

Soviet anti tank infantry crews, armed with their powerful 14.5mm anti tank rifles. They pierced the vunerable side armour of the panther tanks at relatively medium ranges, damaging components and injuring, if not killing the crew.

Hull

The German engineers started thinking of ways to fix this vulnerability. In the midst of the war, as was common with German tank designers, they went for the more ambitious and ‘wunderwaffe’ route. They upgraded the entire tank and named it the Panther II. The successor. In doing so, they increased nearly all armour plates by 20mm in thickness and produced a prototype hull. How ever this was as far as they got in terms of hardware and the Panther II project was cancelled in May 1943. Thus the Panther II has the status of an unfinished prototype.

– From Panzer tracts

Turret

They started off with a new type of turret with a smaller frontal profile. The Schmale Blendenausführung was a derivation of the Panther G turret, but, to the modern enthusiast, would spark familiarity with the Schmalturm of the Panther F. Contrary to popular belief, the Schmalturm was never designed for the Panther II. It was designed AFTER the Panther II project ceased.

Below is the representation of the Schmale Blendenausführung. If you take a look at the rear, it resembles the all too familiar panther A/D/G turret.

But from the front, it features a smaller profile, familiar to the ‘Schmalturm’.

From the side and top:

Now, the turret of the panther II was never made, however the design is clear to be a derivation, or more fittingly, a successor of the Panther G turret. As for those who are wondering about the big picture of the Panther II at the beginning of this article, and how the turret looks nothing like the one shown here, read on.

The Schmale Blendenausführung was designed in 1943 but as design work was going on, the project was canned. The turret designs were then used as a proposal for a new standard Panther I turret (which never happened nor was even considered by the German Army).
The turret, designed over and over again during and after the Panther II project, was named the Schmale Blende by 1944. Post project designs show an interesting and unique turret shape, which, while strikes some small similarities from the rear, differs in every other way:

The new turret was to have an Entfernungsmesser (range finder) and for that reason, the roof peak was raised to 960mm to accommodate the device. It was to have a roof periscope as the gunner sight, but the design does not incorporate such a device. you can however see a roof mounted periscope sight on the Schmalturm on the panther F. That’s because the design work by Rheinmetall for the Schmal Blende was used to help in the design of the Schmalturm made by Daimler-Benz

All in all, the panther II is an amazing vehicle for armoured vehicle enthusiasts and holds a near legendary and fantasy aura to it.

Testing

The Panther II was only tested by MAN as a prototype hull with test weights for the turret. Eventually an engineer realised the main problem could be solved much more simply (and cheaper) by mounting side skirts to break up the anti tank rifle rounds and achieve the desired protection levels.
Later after capture, it was taken to the US where it was mated to a Ausf G turret and went to Aberdeen proving grounds for tests. It now rests in the US Army Armour and Cavalry Collection in Fort Moore.

Technical Specifications

— Mobility —
Weight: ~50 t (around 51t with HL 230 and 234 and around 50t with GT 101/2/3)
Engine: HL 230 P 30 (mounted), HL 234 (planned/considered) or GT 101/2/3 turboshaft (planned/considered)
Power: 700hp @ 3000rpm (HL 230), 900hp (HL 234), 1150hp (GT 101/2/3)
Top speed: 55kmph (theoretical), ~40kmph on road, (not measured with the GT 101 but likely this is restricted by the transmission rather than the engine.)
Power/weight: ~13.5 hp/t, ~17hp/t, ~23hp/t
Transmission: Zahnradfabrik AK 7/200
Gearbox: 8 forward, 4 reverse
Suspension: Torsion bar

*NOTE: The GT 101 series produced around the same hp but the improvements merely reduced wearing and size of the engine and its components.

Images of HL 230 and diagrams of HL 234 (a lot)

HL 230

HL 234

— Armament —
Main gun: 1 x 75mm Kw.K.42
Secondary gun(s): 2 x MG.34 (1 in hull and 1 co-axial)(plus 1 possibly for anti aircraft purposes)
Elevation: -8, +20 degrees
Traverse: 360 degrees
Gun sight: T.Z.F.12 (2.5x to 5x zoom)
Stereoscopic Rangefinder (Schmale Blendenausführung): No
Stereoscopic Rangefinder (Schmale Blende): Yes

— Ammunition —

75mm
Count: 82 rounds
Types and performance:

— Protection —

Crew: 5

– From panzer tracts

Turret specifications here (because there were two):

– Turm Panther 2 (schmale Blendenausführung), Design number: H-SKA 86176
Front: 120mm
Sides: 60mm
Back: 40-60mm
Roof: 30mm

– Turm-Panther (Schmale Blende), Design number: H-SK 88517
Front: 120mm
Sides: 60mm
Back: 40-60mm
Roof: 30-40mm

Extra info here

88mm gun

Contrary to popular belief, the 88mm gun was never destined for the Panther II. The blueprint diagrams (see below) of the 88mm turret proposal were for standard production panthers to receive as an upgrade to their firepower to deal with American and Soviet heavy tanks such as the T-32 and IS-2.
There are however some authors and historians who state that there might have been desires to mount the 88mm on the panther II near the end of its time, but nothing became of them.

As such, the 88mm Panther II is a fake vehicle.

Original diagram of the 88mm gun turret

As you can see, it is VERY faded

88mm gun testing against IS-2 (mod.1944) glacis

The gun could reliably penetrate the UFP at around 450m and the LFP at even larger distances, compared to the 75mm which could not penetrate the UFP at any range.

NVD

While there were NVDs made by Germany during WWII and even mounted on some panther tanks, the Panther II was never mounted with them (never had a turret), although in theory it should be able to mount them.

In warthnder

In my humble opinion, The Panther II should be implemented with some very interesting modifications as upgrades.

Firstly the turret. Though the 1944 turret was designed later, i believe it should be stock as it may be less effective and the 1943 turret should be available as an armour upgrade modification.

Secondly the engine. Though the prototype was only mounted with the HL 230, it was planned with all three engines being the HL 230, 234 and GT 101 (only listed one because functionally the same). Hence it should come with the HL-230 as stock, HL 234 as engine upgrade 1 and the GT 101 as engine upgrade 2.

Visual References