My issues with sweden

Machinery of War Discussion Ground Vehicle
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hi, im just gonna write my frustrations about this game and perhaps some changes are in order. i play the Swedish tech tree and i wont speak on other nation’s vehicle unless comparing to Swedish ones. there will be misspellings and false information but i will do my best to avoid it. feel free to discuss, argue, answer or just talk about my post :)

(the cv/strf 90 series)
i love the CV/strf’s but i feel that the BR/preformance is a bit odd.

-ammunition and armament (all variants)
–why does the 9040C get the 170mm pen round (m/01) but other variants do not? instead they have the slightly worse one (m/90). this is odd to me because the ammo is not particularly OP around the BR its currently at (10.3) and all variants have the same cannons (apart from the 9030FIN) so in theory they should get the same ammunition, no? i get its for balance but i don’t feel that the strf’s getting a round they deserve at a higher BR than the bagel (currently 9.3) with no other weaponry to help pen (thinking about the bagel again with the TOW) apart from the BILL in which i feel the missiles are far too weak. there are several variants that carry a vast majority of armaments and even though some were not bought by sweden or neighboring countries i feel they should still get added to the tree because its a variant of the same vehicle sweden already has. no, i wont give what vehicle modification/MK variant it is cuz im lazy. but there is variants with spikes, grenade launchers, 30, 35, 40mm autocanons.

-BR placement
–why is it such that with vehicles with superior capabilites are placed at the same/lower BR than the STRF’s? i am mostly thinking of the Begel, 2s38, BMP-2 and the m3a3 Bradley.
lets start with the stowage, yes i understand that the strf’s are meant to have the low ammo stowage in the ready rack but should this not warrant a lower br since the vehicle cannot fire after 24 rounds? especially with the 2s38 or BMP-2 as they dont even have a lock on how many rounds to fire before reloading. personally i dont think this is fair to us, take this statement with a grain of salt (or a mountain) but it feels almost like gaijin (or the devs) are placing the vehicles based on player achievements in said vehicle (kills, deaths, etc etc). IF so that isnt fair at all, differing nations will have differing stats and thinking of how more “new” players buy the 2s38 or BMP-2 to play top tier whilst not having gained the skill needed to actually survive will artificially change how the vehicle looks from a stats perspective making the 2s38 or bmp-2 look much MUCH worse especially since there is more players playing russia vs sweden. i feel that the strf’s BR should be lowered maybe 10.0 or even 9.7 (but this seems a bit far.)

-lack of attention from gaijin
–we have not gotten a single upgraded/modern CV9040 series in the tech tree, and i feel that it should get added, again with the thought if other nations getting IFV’s with spikes and maybe even trophy systems in the near future. it would really be nice if the devs could add some of the proposed CV90’s from BAE systems such as the mk4 (i think, not sure) or the CV9035 Mk IIIC (is on preliminary order to the Swedish army) with the rb58’s (similar to spikes, may be OP). i see that there is not much variation to add but there is most definately more than one, i am NOT saying sweden’s top tier is bad at all. im simply saying that i wish the IFV’s would get the support and love that gaijin gives to other nations.

-missing capabilities
–this one is more of a rant but the STRF’s in game dont have the IRST tracking they should have even though there is plenty of evidence to suggest they do, heck they even considered adding it to the game but decided not to, why? this doesnt make sense to me because the russian and american get IRST tracking, why not us?? we all know the strf’s SHOULD get them simply because it was a core feature and [a reason the Swedish bought them] (speculation when marked with “[]”)
the strf can even track ground targets like khriszantema-S but using IRST instead of radar, but i understand why that wont get added so i am not asking for that. one thing i dont understand why it wasnt added is the fact that the strf can and would reload in 8 round clips and if the devs feel like the strf needs to be at this BR or higher they can add the 8 round clips to the reload of the main gun’s ready rack making the strf have a fighting chance one its mag runs out.

i will elaborate or add more stuff in the future but this was it for now, thanks for your time and have a good day.

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No APFSDS (wanna try fighting 3rd generation MBTs with WW2 tier AP? go on, go play the Bagel).

thinking about the bagel again with the TOW

It’s an I-TOW with 430 or 480mm of penetration, it’s not doing jack to any MBT from the front, some MBTs can even take it on the sides. Your APFSDS unironically has better chances of killing something than the I-TOW.

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there is no real proof, thats the point why it never was added and why no one was able to make real suggestion/ bug reports yet to proof them getting added

so doesnt exist yet

there is the question is it a fully functional variant or only mock up until now?

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here’s my view on that.

agreed, the lack of APFSDS for the bagel obviously should put it at a lower BR, but just looking at stats (or when i did) it looked like it would be the same/slightly better performance pen-wise simply because solid AP tends to spall more from what i’ve seen and with a higher calibre i would think it could do more damage, could be wrong ofc but from my POV the bagel does not look like it should be preforming worse at all with those rounds. another thing, i dont know how you chose to play the vehicle but i dont think you should expect to pen anything over a light tank head on, the bagel can absolutely pen anything at its BR with the weaponry it has available. (or so it seems, correct my if im wrong)

moving on to the TOW’s i feel that my point still has some value, yes the TOW may not be as good as i belived but its still and option and has more chance of killing a heavily armored MBT than APFSDS from a 40mm canon. overpressure is also a thing that contributes heavily to why i think the bagel is better, lightly armored vehicles dont stand a chance against the bagel because if it cant kill them with large AP rounds a TOW will most definetly finish the job but its just how you play the vehicle.

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i agree on many of your points, like i said i didnt exactly know this topic much.

  1. that one was my bad, i did not do research. it is correct that the cv90 doesnt get IRST tracking without the module one the LVKV 90, it does track aircraft that the gunner is looking at, or better said it auto leads any plane that the gunner is lazing. which for me atleast warrants the oversimplification to a optical track as auto-lead is not yet implemented.

  2. pretty sure it does, again im not sure. but there is many vehicles that never really existed but are still in the game if the case is that the MK3C doesnt yet exist.

  3. fully functional. was shown to the world in 2017 (yes i know thats very new but still)

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All 9040s in the game should receive m/01, irst, and faster reload, and the ATGM launcher for 9040bill should be fixed. Here are some links about the above issues: Community Bug Reporting System
Community Bug Reporting System
When these issues can be fixed is unknown（

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Strf 9040 is one of the best IFVs in the game with one of the best auto cannons. You should be grateful for having access to 4 of them. As I say most of the time, it’s just victism.

Begleitpanzer 57 has a APBC round with “better” post-pen damage but lacks firepower, you need to use few more rounds to destroy a target in comparison to a Strf 9040B for example; BMP-2M has comparable firerate but worse firepower, the lower caliber APFSDS lacks post-pen damage; 2S38 undoubtedly lower firerate, the post-pen damage is comparable, but not good for a 57 mm auto cannon.

Strf 9040 is on the favourable area of the auto cannons in top tier, has a good round with good firerate and good damage.

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never said i wasnt man, i just pointed out the issues i see with it.

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honestly, yeah that would make me happy.

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Spall doesn’t really matter when you can barely penetrate something, to be fair.

but i dont think you should expect to pen anything over a light tank head on

Nobody does, but WT matches are rather dynamic, so it is impossible to really predict how any of the engagements will look. Simply having an APFSDS is in itself a massive advantage over not having it, since it allows you to keep your options open. You cannot do that with solid AP, as more often than not, most MBTs are too armored frontally even on their ‘weakpoints’.

bagel can absolutely pen anything at its BR with the weaponry it has available. (or so it seems, correct my if im wrong)

This really depends on who it has to fight against. Most nations at Bagel’s BR don’t actually have “3rd generation MBTs”, only 2nd generation ones, and these are significantly less armored. There are some outliers of course, like the Soviets as even their 2nd generation has armor good enough to make a Bagel player wish for APFSDS. Do keep in mind, 2nd generation tanks are still armored more than enough to give the Bagel a hard time, except, of course, Leopard 1s and its derivaties.

By comparison, the CV9040s, especially the 40C, can “lol-pen” (this means they can aim anywhere and will perforate the armor) most of the 2nd generation AFVs, incl even the more armored ones like the M60s.

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Begleit is inferior to Strf 9040C having no access to dart rounds.
2S38 despite having a round with ~50mm more pen has the same effectiveness against most tanks as Strf 9040C.
M3A3 and BMP-2M are small-caliber IFVs thus not really comparable, with BMP-2M being 10.3, the same BR as Strf 9040C.

“IR search and track tracking”
IRT or IR tracking, not IRST tracking, and IRL it sadly does not have this. Only the Lvkv 9040 was equipped with an IR tracking computer despite the sight being the same.

Those were my only critiques, no objections for the rest of your lovely post.

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The biggest issue with Sweden imo is TT holes. For example a lot of very good vehicles(Like the zsu-57-2) aren’t really used since they don’t have a lineup around them. Same with the DT(although you can run it at 5.3.) Same thing with air, for fighters you basically go from the 109G, or J/A-21s to early jets.

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and still not proven and not accepted

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They do not have IRST, at least not the ones we have in game. But there is plenty of documentation they do have target tracking, with some evidence to support an automated gun lay for air targets.

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this is NOT true and i would remove it if i knew how

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agreed, i appreciate this many ppl correcting my mistakes. thank you all.

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My issue with Sweden is that when I was there, I could not find any cute blond girls willing to go out with me. There must be something wrong with Swedish girls.

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lmaooo, yea that an issue too but like… not a tech tree one.

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Well, I was definitely not buying premium ones, I was skint.