I laughed a bit.
HSTV-L has far better armor that can even ricochet darts from time to time.
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It needs to go 12.0 ASAP. Not much difference with HSTVL, stop the bias.
Im laughing a lot at the fact you apparently think thats enough of a reason that it should be 1.7 below the HSTVL, and not like 0.3 or 0.7 below.
Its the same rediculous clutching at straws that people were making when they tried to claim the PUMA was balanced at its 8.3 release BR lmfao.
People don’t need to use a vehicle to have the cross-analysis skillset.
Anyone can determine a vehicle is OP by analyzing its capabilities and comparing it to other vehicles in its class.
2S38 is ~1.0 - 1.3 worse in capability than HSTVL, and HSTVL is 12.0.
That’s basic cross analysis.
And how you get 1.0 - 1.3 is mobility and gun.
22% increase in gun performance with 100% increase in mobility, and like 15 - 20% increase in top speed.
And you compare similar vehicles to that situation, they’re almost always 1.0 - 1.3 higher in BR.
Yes it is.
You’re one of those people that just watches those youtube kill montages and that’s how you form your opinion, you are absolutely ignorant when it comes to how the vehicle actually performs
At least try to make up stuff thats believable.
That little bit lets you front pen mbts unlike 2s38
-17 vs -5, thats huge difference
32 hp/t vs 23 hp/t, 2s38 isnt just bit slower
On sides yes, otherwise no
Hstvl also has one (sort of). The difference is that hstvl loses commander and 2s38 loses entire tank because of ammo in that turret
Rear part - electric system, engine, transmission, center - ammo, front - crew, driving/firing controls, huge external fuel tank which explodes vehicle pretty often.
2s38 is worse in every way except lws, ammo count and rof. Even hevt (on vehicle which is spaag irl) has less range than hstvl one, 5km vs 8km.
It belongs higher than 10.3. Most of the USSR 10.3 lineup does
Sooo perfect for being 0.3 or maybe 0.7 below the 12.0 HSTVL instead of a full 1.3 or 1.7 below like it is?
Which is exactly what was saying it should be.
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BT-7M is 1.0 above BT-5 despite its acceleration being the only difference between the two.
2S38 is 1.3 BR worse than HSTVL in high-BR’s current decompression.
As long as proxy performs as well as it does, while AHEAD sucks. And as long as the 2S38 can reasonably front pen many MBTs while the 30mm on NATO IFV is crap. I genuinely agree that it should go up even more.
Only reason it’s stats aren’t “that great” is because people play it like an MBT. I’ve virtually never seen a 2S38 go hull down or flank. They’re usually driving straight out at enemies and firing wildly, because it works more than half the time.
Try playing GRB then.
I’ve seen plenty on the flank and it didn’t go that well as they’re not particularly fast.
a 2s38 is fine at 10.3, the 2s38 has no armour or ATGMs (that many lights do at the teir), try playing the 2S38 at 10.3, see how shit it is
Neither does the regular PUMA. Who gets a 30mm peashooter, has no armor, isn’t fast either, much better, and gets crappy AHEAD instead of proxy.
2S38 is fine at 10.7 though now that ground is maxed at 12.7.
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still has armour + ATGMs
Its servicable.Obviously its gonna fail when people try to play it like MBT - it simply isnt one.
But playing it like light rank, its entirely different story.
However one thing people are overlooking is that it does not matter whenever 2S38 sits at 10.3 or 10.7 - nothing will change about the way 2S38 is played.
It will have to engage enemy tanks the exact same way. It will die the exact same way.
The only question that should be asked is what it can meet in downtier - and it simply shouldnt meet 9.3, which are often poorly armored tanks without proper gun handling and most importantly, armor to effecticely force 2S38 to go for weakspots.
BR of 10.7 is perfectly fine because it does not change how 2S38 plays while it helps 9.3s.
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Has the best turret for hull down, unlike other light tanks it can take infinite number of darts to the turret without having to worry about your crew’s health. A bad vehicle for cqc maps but brilliant for large maps that allowing it to abuse hull down.