It literally can’t, PUMA can be front penned by regular 30mm APDS. Not even APFSDS but regular APDS. It shouldn’t be able to, but it can. The entire side can be lol penned by it, and the back by 50cal. This isn’t 2022 when it had realistic armor anymore.
Are we playing the same game ?
30mm APDS will struggle with PUMA frontally and even from the sides, provided you’re angled a bit.
30mm APDS will absolutely cleanly punch through from the front in about 30% or some such of the area. Simple spray and pray works entirely fine against it. Hell AP-T does for crying out loud. How long have you not played the PUMA anymore?
This is 30 mm AP-T at 500 meter. The protection map isn’t even accurate as you can see by mousing over. It can punch through in several areas. Because according to GJN the front of the PUMA has virtually no armor.
APDS and APFSDS have way higher pen. And angling? This isn’t low BR high distance engagements in relatively slow vehicles. PUMA armor has been nerfed to absolute absurdity. Because GJN is convinced that “protected all around against 30mm APFSDS” translates to "has 30mm of protection against KE.
And the composite armor at the back, meant to protect crew and six dismounts against 30mm APFSDS doesn’t even provide enough armor to defend against a Chaffees 50cal.
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The area you’re aiming at would just make the round get eaten by the power train.
I’ve moved my mouse around and plenty of that UFP is either red or does very low damage, as explained above. Saying it has no armor against 30mm APDS is just an exaggeration and is quite ridiculous.
Angled PUMA hull is problematic to 30mm darts from the BMP-2M, let alone APDS.
It has really good side armor and even a slight angle would make APDS non-pen.
You’ll survive this at 10.3 then.
PEN. DOES. NOT. MATTER. for IFVs. They will NEVER win fighting head on. Rate of fire matters much more. And yes, post pen is awful for the 2s38, which is why RoF matters that much.
The ammo rack is not, in fact, tiny. It’s gigantic. Any shot to the central to mid-forward section will end you. A shot to the gun area has about a 50/50 chance of exploding you. A shot that will not reach the crew from the front still a high chance of disabling the FCS which means no firing the gun for you. Also, the autoloader is huge. Even if the enemy hits only the autoloader and nothing else, you’re still dead. Unless you can run away from him … unlikely.
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Low profile. Uncheck. Not that low, bigger than BMPs.
High survivability. No. Any penetrating hit will most like take out at least 2 crew members, the fcs and/or the autoloader from the front and frontal 180 degrees arc. -
Doesn’t matter, it’s a gimmick and no, it does NOT have high mobility. You are slower than most MBTs.
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Scouting is P2W? Lmao.
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Yeah, once every 0.5 seconds. With the spall it produces, good luck.
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Most light tanks at its BR have IRST tracking.
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You will almost never use 148 rounds. And no, it cannot be easily neutralised. Start playing it and then we’ll talk.
Don’t need to because it’s being bumped up a whole .3 of a br…it’s exciting and long overdue
I must apologize here, I thought showing you clear proof that even regular 30mm AP-T and APHE rounds front penning it in several places, some of whom instantly disable it or outright vaporize the crew would show you that the PUMA is not survivable. Especially since your initial statement was
> PUMA has one of the better protection against autocannons and it can definitely stop some 30mm rounds.
At 500 meters distance no less. Where they punch clean through the driver window, disable the PUMA in other places, or do that and kill the crew. Not even talking about close quarters or APDS much less APFSDS.
It was my mistake to think that you’d be swayed by clear proof of having been wrong and assuming a genuine error on your end. Because I was thinking we were arguing in good faith, rather than whatever it is you are doing as well as moving the goalpost. My bad. Have a nice day.
Overdue? You’re still dying to it? What a lack of skill on your part. Lmao.
K be mad I guess 🤣
You’re the one frothing at the mouth about the 2s38 being OP.
This seems like projecting, because you are the one still coping and seething that the 2S38 got a BR increase that won’t change much for it.
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Dude, skill issue after skill issue… first the t80UD now the 2s38. Honestly just dont play ground ATP if you think THAT is bad. I challenge you to get a positive KD in the M3A3 bradley and then tell me the 2S38 is bad.
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This thing still can’t beat the Warrior in terms of suckiness
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It is my personal opinion that its fine at 10.7, because while it has a powerful gun, the lack of depression and the giant size hold it back against its peers (10.3 was too low and unjustified though)
However, what in the world is that argument…
Can i go full out and ask for a Rafale at 10.0 and EBRC Jaguar at 8.3 because you’ve never played them ?
You have it the wrong way around.
A better example would be if someone asked for the EBRC Jaguar to move to 12.0 because it’s OP, but they have never even touched that vehicle or aren’t even close to unlocking it (the someone in this example is a nation main).
That is what the argument was about.
Yeah so ?
Plenty of people complained about Rafale after it went out and never played it. No need to play it to know it’s a balancing mess
Same goes for 2S38 when it was introduced or BMPT today
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The 2S38 hasn’t really been a balancing mess for quite some time though.
Don’t get me wrong, I do agree with the BR increase to 10.7. Mainly because it won’t have a significant negative impact on the 2S38 itself and will save 9.3s a headache. However the 2S38 hasn’t been truely overpowered in a while now.
However the comment that you originally replied to (not my previous one, but the one before that) isn’t just about the 2S38. Morvran has a history of overrating vehicles he has never played due to personal struggles in GRB, but that is a different topic.
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Fair enough
Someone can of course overstate or understate a vehicle capability, but i’d say it does not always depend on whever you play it or not.
Even a vehicle I play can sometimes feel weak because it doesn’t fit my playstyle, or maybe my own biases can clutter my judgment.
The initial argument “you don’t play it so you can’t say it’s unbalanced” is, imo, irrecevable. That would be my main point.
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