As long as proxy performs as well as it does, while AHEAD sucks. And as long as the 2S38 can reasonably front pen many MBTs while the 30mm on NATO IFV is crap. I genuinely agree that it should go up even more.
Only reason it’s stats aren’t “that great” is because people play it like an MBT. I’ve virtually never seen a 2S38 go hull down or flank. They’re usually driving straight out at enemies and firing wildly, because it works more than half the time.
Try playing GRB then.
I’ve seen plenty on the flank and it didn’t go that well as they’re not particularly fast.
a 2s38 is fine at 10.3, the 2s38 has no armour or ATGMs (that many lights do at the teir), try playing the 2S38 at 10.3, see how shit it is
Neither does the regular PUMA. Who gets a 30mm peashooter, has no armor, isn’t fast either, much better, and gets crappy AHEAD instead of proxy.
2S38 is fine at 10.7 though now that ground is maxed at 12.7.
still has armour + ATGMs
Its servicable.Obviously its gonna fail when people try to play it like MBT - it simply isnt one.
But playing it like light rank, its entirely different story.
However one thing people are overlooking is that it does not matter whenever 2S38 sits at 10.3 or 10.7 - nothing will change about the way 2S38 is played.
It will have to engage enemy tanks the exact same way. It will die the exact same way.
The only question that should be asked is what it can meet in downtier - and it simply shouldnt meet 9.3, which are often poorly armored tanks without proper gun handling and most importantly, armor to effecticely force 2S38 to go for weakspots.
BR of 10.7 is perfectly fine because it does not change how 2S38 plays while it helps 9.3s.
Has the best turret for hull down, unlike other light tanks it can take infinite number of darts to the turret without having to worry about your crew’s health. A bad vehicle for cqc maps but brilliant for large maps that allowing it to abuse hull down.
nope… been ammo racked so many times
Rarely happens to mine, only cook off, third time I am without any ammo left but vehicle and crew still remain 100% healthy. Die to ATGM from Adats to the turret cheek like once
ive died to APFSDS to my turret
The regular PUMA has NO Atgms, at all. None, zero, zilch. And no, it does not have armor. It can be 50cal’d from the entire back and even some areas on the side. And 30mm punches clean through everywhere.
To then, sit there and do nothing. Because the peashooter is literally incapable of penning most everything unless it’s fully side on to you. And after two hits to the turret you’re usually out of ammo. Oh and any HE to the turret or MUSS cone instantly kills it. Same for many ATGMs. Which you can absolutely and do absolutely meet at that BR.
I’d trade you the PUMA instantly for the 2s38. I doubt you’d do the same. One is massively more played for a reason. And it aint the PUMA.
PUMA has one of the better protection against autocannons and it can definitely stop some 30mm rounds.
Just for you to know, the 2S38 gun still don’t overheat…
Which means that you can fire your 148 shells at once
+the DM is bugged, resulting in 23mm HE dealing fatal pressure damage with just 1 lucky hit if placed correctly on the normal deck
You are slower and taller than leo2s and abrams so gl with that
What exactly do you have trouble “believing in”. 2s38 is slower than leo2s and abrams (FACT), which means that you cannot flank, and your survivability is too bad for frontal engagements (3 crew members in front of a carousel of ammo). Your rate of fire is nothing to write home about (0,5s) which means that you cannot disable cannon barrels reliably.
You can flank but you need to expect that your enemies can get there before you, which puts you at a disadvantage.
Getting in a good hull down position with that gun depression is also a problem. Even if you find something you can get ammo racked or die to overpressure from HE/HEAT.
