292’s armor can still withstand 120mm DM33 equivalents which is amazing for 10.7. It also has better shell and more mobility.
80UK has 27.2 HP/t and 80UD has 21.7 HP/t which as I said, is quite noticeable.
It has many other downsides when compared to other 11.7 MBTs, with armor being one of it’s only pros. Shtora is also meh at best, especially if you consider only a 0.3 BR above you’ll have things like Iron Fist, which is a fully fledged hard-kill APS capable of stopping even main cannon darts.
Godawful reverse speed is something you’ll have to work around, which is quite literally a con.
Both 292 and 80B are 10.7.
I have no idea why 80UD deserves to be just a single BR step below M1A1.
BR compression is to blame here.
T-72A sits at the same BR as T-64A.
KPz-70 sits at the same BR as MBT-70.
10.7* armor coverage.
UD should only become 10.7 if ALL existing 10.7s move to 11.0.
Lacks thermals, great or good turret drive, mobility, reverse speed, and gun mechanics.
All it has for the BR is the pen and armor; and no, I’m never going to own the T-80UD, I already have T-72Bs.
Its about on par with teh abrams and leo tbf man, maybe just behind them but it is miles better than every other 10.3 mbt ( the chinese ones tbh should be 10,7 as well)
T90A has worse armour than the 80UD the 80UD has the armour of the T80U mate.
genuinely agree the mbt2000 and al khalid-I could be 11.3 at least.
yeah but its armour is miles worse as well as it having the older composite layout, the T80UD has the more modern composite layout as well.
292 has the older composite layout if i remember right and no era so it has worse armour, it too can withstand the same rounds, it is an 11.7 tanks armour.
oh i know, that is a compression issue right enough.
remove m735 and make the rank 1 roudn m774, then add m833 as a rank 4 mod. m833 would still be inferior to the competition but this would make stock grind less miserable
The only difference between it and the U is the thermals btw i believe so it is really a 11.7 vehicle.
Even if not its 11.3
The ud has the same turret traverse and armour layout and identical armour and only around a 1.5 second slower vertical traverse than the T80U TT variant with both aced crews.
It also is a more mobile tank than all of the t72s at 10.3, better turret traverse, optics which is major as theyre really good on the UD, armour, same rounds.
80U isn’t really stellar at 11.7 either.
80UK has better acceleration, top speed, shells, thermals and reverse speed, while UD has nothing going for it.
Should it move up above TURMS when we get more decompression ? Sure.
Should it move up in the current state of the game ? No.
It is pretty good at 11.7 mate in my experience with it.
You do realise im not comparing the UD with the Uk saying the UD should be 11.7 or anything, im trying to outline that the 10.3 tank shares a lot of features with a tank that is 11.7, (should be 11.3 ), the comparison im making is to show that thr UD should be sitting at the same br as the T80B as a side grade option.
Not with the 80U or UK.
Generally im not one of these people sitting screaming for it to go up in br like mad, i just find it really odd where it sits due to being better than every single other russian 10.3 and more akin to the 10.7s , heck it may actually make the 10.7 lineup more fun.
Maybe ill.get the UD just to have it.
Only thing it can offer over something like AIM is a bit of forward acceleration and some added armor. In rest of the metrics it simply falls behind.
In a perfectly decompressed world, those two shouldn’t be at the same BR.
I’m aware of that, but I also wanted to note that looking at UK’s BR isn’t the whole thing.
UD might be better than TURMS in most situations, but I think it should stay where it’s at until more decompression happens.
It’s funny how most of the problems people have could be solved with that.
I mean it sits at the same br as thr m1a2 so yeah decompression is a must man.
Realistically it should be 11.3 with the cr2s but here we are.
Though the t80U is still a potent tank to be fair id rate it above the 72B3, it just feels nicer even though its worse.
Its is better all the 10.3 mbts for russia, and even so some 10.3 of other nations too.
Almost all of them could
edit: just to add right now, T80UD can stop on its turret face chinas top tier round. M1 KVT which is a higher BR cannot. The thing being 10.3 is pretty strange considering it is literally an 11.3 / 7 MBT with a slightly worse round, and mobility. thats it.
Also id like to say when comaring to the T80UK i made the mistake, I should of compared it with the UM2, regardless all the T80U, UM2, UK and UD all share the same armour.
The T80UD/BE that just got added is identical to the UD bar in having thermals.
I dont think ive ever seen a case where thermals warranted a full BR step up, this being said I think the T80UD will move to 10.7 next BR changes.
Why this thing is 10.7 and the other is 10.3 makes 0 sense.
In my opinion going from gen0 to gen2 thermals at that BR is a decent upgrade and it might come with a BR rise.
This new even vehicle basically has no downsizes TURMS and to me those two should never be at the same BR.
it has never seen a BR change in tanks before, Hence why the turms was the same BR as the T72B, or the B (1989).
Meanwhile the T80UD only thing worse than the turms is the thermals. yet sits at exactly the same BR, the UD beats it in every fight, hell even it has better optics just no thermals.