I can’t remember the last time the Challenger and 120S were accused of having “high mobility”.
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I’d say Chally 1 is on par in terms of mobility with T80UD, especially ever since it recieved 100 HP buff.
While T-80UD holds armor advantage Chally 1 holds 1 stage reload, overall mobility, thermals and gun handling advantages.
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No, better reload by alot, better turret armor, commander fire control, harder to ammo rack on lfp, and better side armor
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They both have variants of 2E42, which is 24 d/s. You must have tested it in perfect conditions and aced crew for one and other one without that.
Also missed on commander’s ability to gun the turret.
It’s essentually in between T-72B 1989 and T-90A specs wise, T-90A having better hull/turret armour, thermals and 3BM60.
Even if T-72BA would be added it would still be worse than T-80UD by same things except mobility which would become on par.
T-90 would probably be on par with T-80UD if it was added with Agava-2 sight. Trading mobility for thermal
the T80UD is about on bar with them mate TBH, it’s probably the best 10.7 for russia.
the T80b has marginally better mobility but loses so much armour.
The T80UD is mega forgiving as well as this the only tank at 10.7 with a faster reload is the M1 Abrams arguably, the best 10.7.
the other nato MBTs being what exactly?
CR1 only has a fast reload for four shells.
Most have +6 second reload as an expert crew leaves them with 6.3 roughly.
Yes it literally is, Hence why it moved up after it got a buff.
What are you trying to do tell me it isn’t ?
with the 10.3s? Nah the advantages it has put it above them, hence why it moved to 10.7.
which it should of arguably been before it got a reload buff.
It’s not, the CR1s are nimble but the T80UD has the same mobility as the T90A which is better than the CR1a last I checked.
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Apologies yes, I’ve not got the correct set up on the B 1989
commanders ability to gun the turret?
how do you mean the ability for the commander to fire the gun or the commander over-ride ?
again hence why it’s 10,7 and the T72B 1989 is 10.3 and the T90A is 11.0 :D
if the T90A wasn’t slinging 3BM60 it would likely be 10,7 with the UD.
You know I like T72s but I’ve not heard of the T72BA what is that?
At a glance here the T72BA would be pretty much on par in most areas, turret traverse, as well as able to fire the 3BM60 or 3BM59 alegedly.
how do you mean ? the T80UD with an agava 2 sight still has the 1000HP engine no?
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Aside from top speed they dont have big difference, problem is T-80UD lacks any sort of reverse speed while Cr1 rolls around with that amazing reverse speed while pouring tea for its crew to boast their capabilities.
Still Cr1 is better tank than T-80UD if you compare all aspects I believe.
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Situational man tbf, the cr1s have a better round turret traverse and ofc gun laying.
But have worse optics, armour, id say reload as well tbh becuase you’ve only got that four round ready rack and the refresh rate is mega slow.
So once you surpass five shots you end up with an extremely slow reload, if not expert its over 7 seconds a shot.
Same for CR2.
The reverse is handy af as well gor the Cr1.
Optics are quite nice and its close T-80’s iirc.
Tbh rather than first stage the replenishment time is the main problem, if only Gaijin reduce the replenish time it would be much better, kinda like did back in the day unintentionally with certain bug.
Eh, mine is Aced so not a big deal for me.
Armor is sufficient against 3BM42 if you’re hulldown, especially at ranges its basically immune on cheeks.
The biggest drawback on UD is the vertical speed for me, my 80UE-1 also shares same vertical speed and it pisses me off, still somehow I got almost 2.5 K/D in that Stalinium despite seein full uptier most of the time.
It could easily be 11.0; the T-80U is 11.7
But somehow, slightly less horsepower, 80mm less penetration (doesn’t really matter against NATO), and no thermals (which most of the time are gimmick due to maps) warrants a massive 1.0 reduction in BR.
Fighting a swarm of them in something like an AMX-40 is torture
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this, at the time of writing it yesterday I forgot the word :)
just reinforcing your point and T-80UD’s current BR.
I still think T-90A would be 11.0 even without the 3BM60 dart.
It is just T-72B (1989) with wind sensor and V-92S2 (1000 Horsepower) engine, making it slightly faster than T-80UD/T-90A by being 1.5 tons lighter.
Basically picture T-72B 1989 with T-90A’s engine.
Meant that if they were to ever add T-90, which is mostly T-72B 1989 but with much better fire control system - alike on T-80UD tanks, it would probably get the Agava-2 thermal to be on par with T-80UD. That same thermal sits on T-80U and T-80UK tanks rn.
I dont believe T-80UD ever got the Agava-2 thermal.
Nor a thermal, and the charges are vertical meaning a penetration is more likely to kill.
Even worse reverse gear too.
The challenger mk 2 and mk 3 are not on par but are getting there. I have the t80ud/be and it certinly has better mobility purely due to it being lighter and therefore not losing as much speed in corners or minor adjustments. Also the armour advantage is a BIG factor in russian tanks due to just how small its weak spots are where as you can just look at the chally funny and one shot it.
The problem is that gun handling on T-80UD is pretty much trash compared to Cr1 which determines the snapshots outcomes a lot.
On range Cr1 is basically immune to 3BM42 on hulldown position while it enjoys better firepower and thermals.
T-80UD is no doubt one of the best 10.7 out there but I still believe CR1 is better tank overall.
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The DS/Mk.3 are pretty underrated imo. Gun handling + 5 second reload ready rack + good turret armor + decent mobility makes for a good combo.
I have much more fun in the CR1s than in the T-80UD(/BE).
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They are hidden gems in my book.
Even better than CR2 somehow, kinda funny if you ask me.
Exactly and if you have aced crew it becomes even more fun.
My DS has 150 level aced crew and my experience is pretty solid so far, only thing that can cause me trouble is the BMPT on that br bracket.
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ru 10.7 has pretty cool line up, object 292, t-72m2, t-80b and t-80ud, all four unique in their own way.
Pretty difficult to tell which one is the best, imo it heavily depending on maps and playstyle. T-80b and ud beats the other two on reload department, 292 has the ammunition with the best stopping power but reload time sucks, t-72m2 has the best vision (gen 2 thermals for both gunner and commander sight) for large maps and retains the -6.22 gun depression to camp hull down and don’t forget it shoots a 3bm46 equivalent, t-80ud also has 12x gunner sight so the FCS definitely beats the t-80b and object 292 at 9x lol
I use T-80B, 2S38, 2S25M,BMP2M, Su-25 and Tunguska.
Works like a charm at 10.7
Plenty of GB vehicles are underrated.
It’s just common to see GB mains trying to hide that fact with constant moaning about CR2s and solid shot.
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T80UD has the optics of the T80U last I checked it’s quite a bit more than the CR1
Not sure if the CR1 Ready rack was as small as 4 shells either but the replenishment is ridiculous to be quite honest.
Okay cool, but even aced it’s still closer to the 6 seconds than it is to the 5.
The 42 can get through the turret on the CR1 with relative ease bar on the absolute center of the cheeks which is easy to shoot eitehr over or below.
The Vertical speeds a pain sure but the whole tank overall is still extremely strong, teh T80U E 1 as well has the stupid fast trurret traverse.
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