You can defeat a top tier tank with some reserve ones. That isn’t really what anyone is ever arguing. What people are arguing is that one side has a massive advantage over the other. Which you know, but you decide to beat up a strawman instead.
Theres a difference of 220 horsepower with more than 4 horsepower per ton, im not sure what you mean by this cause its very mobile.
They are on caps first much of the time, i rush caps really reliably in the T-80 and even the T-64B. Its not particularly difficult if you have the engine mods and pick a reliable route
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Its negligible in terms of its contemporaries, you’re a T-80U at 10.7 your closest competitor is the anemic T-72B’s and the less protected T-80BV.
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That’s not what you said.
I specified 10.3 for a reason, the implication being that at its BR its better than contemporaries despite it being a downgrade of a standard T-80U
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Nah, you specified it’s just a T-80U with a worse round and negligibly less horsepower, which just isn’t true.
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I’m fairly confident it is, considering that the leopard at the same BR has only 4 more HP per ton, its annoying at its worse but you will still match times to caps pretty equally. That is if you have played it.
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That 4HP/t difference is pretty big.
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I dont agree with that. I suffer quite a lot with them. I dont find neither their cannons, nor their survivability as pros.
maybe it`ll become its only purpose, as i cant find myself liking it anyhow. Thy its not a HEVT shell, i dont think it’ll be anything effective.
160 actually. Makes it ~2,5-3 HP per tonne. And the transmission makes that difference slightly noticeable. I did not fall behind them much as i played 10.3 USSR last time. Its still less mobile than anything you meet at the cap - M1128, M1 Abrams, 2a4. Ect.
B, U, BVM for sure, but not UD.
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Its has the same firepower that other T-Series have while having best survivability amongs them.
If you suffer a lot maybe it doesnt suit your playstyle, either you have to adopt different style for 90M or you should just not play it at all.
One thing for sure T90M is far from bein a bad tank.
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Yes, and that firepower is something useful within 9.0-10.3 :/
And lack of it at 12.0 (current 12.7) when USSR has, if i remember, 3rd to worst round ingame…
I may be biased here but i do believe its “best survivability” never did come close to even a 2a4 level. At least before they nerfed the 2a4s with baskets. Not even mentioning that enemies 90M meets are quite not the same as “other T-series” meet, having better protection, survivability and ammunition.
So i wholeheartedly believe that if 90M is not the worst, its second to third from worst. As i yet havent had a chance to try Ariette and ZTZ99. tho im close to it.
France has similiar firepower
Uk has similiar firepower
China has similiar firepower
Also when does 3BM60 became somewhat useful at 9.3-10.3? This type of firepower is well above 9.3-10.3’s pay check.
Now thats stretch and a huge one.
T-90M is one of the most armored and well protected tank at top tier and its survivability is on par with other best top tier tanks.
Ammunition wise while its not the best it can certainly do its job well.
Its far from it.
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They do have similar penetration, but either have better reload or damage
Yes,
“Firepower” not necessary only counts by penetration. The 3BM22 is pretty good for 9.3 and the 3BM42 is somewhat okay for 10.3. And the lack of reloading speed is not as much trouble at that ratings.
not quite, i consider 2a4 at its BR having better survivability than 90M at its BR.
Same as any other T series is considered best protected at its BR i believe. The fact is its not enough to only have a “better armor” to be a great tank at 12.7
not that “well”, more like “it can, but not easy”.
well i touched T-80s, t-90s, Abramses, Leopards, Leclecrs, Challengers, Type 90s (not the top-top tier tho, so does not count). So thats what i believe.
Damage is based on penetration power so they have similiar outburst.
That is the price of using Russian made autoloader.
I disagree, I have lots of experience with whole Leopard family and even 2A6 doesn’t have same survivability that T-90M has, only 2A7V rivals/pass T-90M.
Not really, no other T-Series does have this kind of armor, spall liners nor external fuel tanks.
Since you always aim for the weakspots it does it jobs pretty well, same goes for every other round.
And I played with every top tier tank except Ariete garbages.
Its far from it.
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Its okay. I have different experience.
thats a point to survivability, not to armor. However it still gets oneshotted or two-shotted pretty easilly to same spots. As liner does not cover weakspots from front, only already protected ones. The most difference i see while shooting 90M or using it, its that sideshots became much less effective. But its still has 50-50 ratio to oneshot to ammunition.
If we consider same opponents - maybe. But then at least M1s and 2a5-7s have better penetration and damage, and reload speeds.
I do want to try Ariette tho, them look funny. And i dont want to touch ZTZs as they look to me as “copycatBVM” and thats all. THy they have better reverse so maybe i shoud give them a shot. And the Type 10s are similar to Type 90s so im not very speedy to grinding it.
You do realize armor scheme on T-90M is also one of the best right?
That goes for every other tank, you just proved that T-90M dies just like any other tank.
It covers its side, turret and hull armor just like Leopards.
True but overall gameplay experience is basically the same, always aim on weakspots in order to consistently get best results.
ZTZ’s and VT4’s biggest drawback is the armor profile, Gaijin still hasn’t fixed them yet and didn’t add spall liners to ZTZ99A series.
Apart from that I prefer ZTZ99A over BVM despite having worse reload because it has much better turret armor,LWS and reverse speed.
Type-10’s has trolly armor that can save you from time to time while having much better penetration,optics and thermals. (It should also have much better gun handling and armor but Gaijin still hasn’t fixed them yet)
Its basically Type-90 on steroids which makes it much more fun.
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Yesm, but it hardly can be called significant as all the weak zones are the same, counting in that ammuniton it meets also got better.
Not every, but some has changed. For example, the 2a7 got its weakest spot - the hull front - upgraded so 3BM60 cant do anymore. Then the Leopard LFP shootng with 90M is less effective… Challengers too got some buff to armor, so the hull isnt penetrated to UFP levaing only LFP. And by far the most important is the spacing of the NATO MBTs that helps them survive multiple shots done… Then even when they get penned, usually they suffer less damage because of spacing and fact that some composite armor had decreased the penetration power of thy ammo. T series`s weakspots are often armored only with steel plates without any composite armor.
Ah but them Challengers also have it cover the weakspots in frontal. Even mask.
Yes but challengers side armor doesn’t protected by spall liner and also has smaller coverage compare to those tanks.
thats also fair
Still love how the only mbts in game with all round spall liner are the t90m and the leopards as if other countries only thought to put them behind the most heavily armoured section of their tanks lol. I think there is a bug report out since they were added on the challenger missing its lfp spall liner still.