Yes that’s why this thread is discussing the vehicle that exists, not the vehicle that does not.
That’s some stupid reason.
My point is that they are already very potent weapons at their current BR, moving the MiG-23ML would also mean moving the MLD, MLA, and MiG-23M down as well.
All of these aircraft perform well enough at their current BRs and don’t need to be changed. (though you could probably make a point for the MiG-23M to go down since it’s only got 12 CM cartridges.)
You’re arguing for the sake of “nuh uh” now and it’s frankly stupid.
The MiG-23ML series do not need to go down in BR, they’re already performing well.
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If Vamilad got his way, we’d need an entire patch.
Update 4.0-The Vamilad Brackets.
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I believe some of those planes are not equivalent.
That is also my point.
Mig-23ML and Mig-23MLA are, as far as I am aware. Identical. There is no difference that I could see.
(I looked thoroughly as its the basis of my argument to get the Mig-23ML moved from 11.0 to 11.3 in SB)
From what I recall hearing the only difference is apparently in the radar, also from what I recall in-game it lacks the ability to mix the the larger missiles (i.e. it cannot carry a R-24R and R-24T at the same time). Apparently the radar of the MLA is suppose to have slightly better tracking but I don’t have the ML so I can’t confirm this in-game, though in any case they really are just about identical outside of those two differences.
The radars are called slightly different, but I assumed one was just an export variant, but the stat cards are the same in all other respects. Though it doesnt cover everything.
Thank you
The MLD? The 23M?
MLD is definetly better. no idea about the M, I think slightly worse
M only have 12 CMs, and only have R23s
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The MiG-23MLD, and MLA are practically identical with minimal differences that should not affect BR.
Yes, you are right, the MiG-23M is not equal to the ML series for the lack of the R-24 missiles and the fact that you can only carry 12 large caliber countermeasures.
HOWEVER
Why on earth would you want to move an aircraft with good missiles, good flight performance down to a BR range where said missiles would absolutely dominate in downtiers. What the hell is an F-4C supposed to do against an R-24R??
The MiG-23ML series are perfectly fine at their BR, they aren’t suffering, they aren’t doing poorly, in fact they’re probably the best 11.3s in the whole game.
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Yeah the MiG-23M has only 12 large caliber countermeasures, you do drop them individually though so that’s a plus. The 23ML series also have slightly better flight performance since they get updated wings and a new engine as well as R-24 series missiles.
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We’d need 2 years worth of major updates
Working off of memory, the MLA and subsequent models were the only ones to fire R-24s, while the MLD had airframe changes
I’m not too knowledgeable regarding the exported MiG-23s, but I know for certain that both of the ML series in the soviet tree are capable of firing R-24s.
Because you are bad at the game so you want it at a lower BR so you can actually play good, and the only reason you could come up with is it would sell more, you don’t even care about how many they sell you just want it to go down. This thing already has no right being the same br as the F-104S.ASA but you want it to be 11.0 with the F-104S without an MTI radar crap SARH and 20 rear aspect missiles. no to mention the thing cant turn and the MiG-23ML is just as fast in much better missile better radar and can turn
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Yeah, just checked.
The MLA implements the RP-23MLA, which as far as I see, was the first implementation of the R-24. I’d imagine there’s some causation between the radar change and introduction of R-24s, as well as the modernization of base model MLs to fit the MLA radar.
It’s already 11.0 in sim, and the MLA 11.3, weird …
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Nope, It’s flight performance is very good at 11.3, it comes with R-60s which aren’t amazing, but they can work on blind opponents, R-24s which are still some of the best missiles in the game to date, radar works just fine for what the plane wants to do as well.
It’s not worse than an F-4J, Tornado F.3, or JA37D, definitely not worse than a Mirage F-1, so moving it down to 11.0 seems silly.