He is not actually arguing what you think he is arguing. He is salty that it, or another premium, didnt get moved up. So now he is going with the “they wont move it up? clearly this is only for profit and nothing to do with balance. Why not move it to 11.0 because they only care about selling premiums.”
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They already deal with this, as they have vehicles developed ahead of time or reskin existing vehicles into premiums.
True, and they don’t.
In fairness, I haven’t bothered to read the whole thread with how long it is despite being made like 2 days ago, and I never looked at the thread until the original post was hidden so I didn’t even have the full original context. Though in any case even if that is the case it doesn’t change my view on it in the fact that going by the title of the post is quite stupid.
Dont worry about it. It is not something you would have learned from just reading this thread. You learn it from dealing with him in general. You can tell when he is grinding because he will make multiple threads. There was also that one time where his thread about maps got locked so he went and started necroing a bunch of map related threads. He is an interesting character.
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Didn’t get moved up when for what reason? What plane am I talking about? This is the second time in this thread you’ve said something I’ve supposedly stated but previously you said you were “guessing”. Is this also one of those times?
I don’t know if the playerbase is ready for a premium MIG-29. They do seem to be more than accepting of the MIG-23ML.
Yes, and that’s why a premium MiG-23ML exists and a premium MiG-29 does not.
Yes that’s why this thread is discussing the vehicle that exists, not the vehicle that does not.
That’s some stupid reason.
My point is that they are already very potent weapons at their current BR, moving the MiG-23ML would also mean moving the MLD, MLA, and MiG-23M down as well.
All of these aircraft perform well enough at their current BRs and don’t need to be changed. (though you could probably make a point for the MiG-23M to go down since it’s only got 12 CM cartridges.)
You’re arguing for the sake of “nuh uh” now and it’s frankly stupid.
The MiG-23ML series do not need to go down in BR, they’re already performing well.
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If Vamilad got his way, we’d need an entire patch.
Update 4.0-The Vamilad Brackets.
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I believe some of those planes are not equivalent.
That is also my point.
Mig-23ML and Mig-23MLA are, as far as I am aware. Identical. There is no difference that I could see.
(I looked thoroughly as its the basis of my argument to get the Mig-23ML moved from 11.0 to 11.3 in SB)
From what I recall hearing the only difference is apparently in the radar, also from what I recall in-game it lacks the ability to mix the the larger missiles (i.e. it cannot carry a R-24R and R-24T at the same time). Apparently the radar of the MLA is suppose to have slightly better tracking but I don’t have the ML so I can’t confirm this in-game, though in any case they really are just about identical outside of those two differences.
The radars are called slightly different, but I assumed one was just an export variant, but the stat cards are the same in all other respects. Though it doesnt cover everything.
Thank you
The MLD? The 23M?
MLD is definetly better. no idea about the M, I think slightly worse
M only have 12 CMs, and only have R23s
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The MiG-23MLD, and MLA are practically identical with minimal differences that should not affect BR.
Yes, you are right, the MiG-23M is not equal to the ML series for the lack of the R-24 missiles and the fact that you can only carry 12 large caliber countermeasures.
HOWEVER
Why on earth would you want to move an aircraft with good missiles, good flight performance down to a BR range where said missiles would absolutely dominate in downtiers. What the hell is an F-4C supposed to do against an R-24R??
The MiG-23ML series are perfectly fine at their BR, they aren’t suffering, they aren’t doing poorly, in fact they’re probably the best 11.3s in the whole game.
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Yeah the MiG-23M has only 12 large caliber countermeasures, you do drop them individually though so that’s a plus. The 23ML series also have slightly better flight performance since they get updated wings and a new engine as well as R-24 series missiles.
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We’d need 2 years worth of major updates