You mean the R-60M? Because the MİG-29.13 got nerfed as well , and if you simply fly low the ER is a joke missile like all the other SARH missiles. Try finding more excuses to nerf stuff and stomp people as USA.
Mig-29SMT can’t even turn with an AV-8B or Harrier GR7 now , because you drop to 600 kmh in 1 turn.
Still vastly superior to anything several nations have got.
And the Harrier comment, if someone knows how to VIFF right and energy management, they always lost vs a Harrier II, at least in a short fight. My best moments was in a 1v3, managed to down 2 before the third got a jump on me. This was a few months ago, so no Aim-9M either (in SB)
I’m talking about the MiG-29SMT lel.
Mig-29SMT can’t even turn with an AV-8B or Harrier GR7 now
They couldn’t before anyways, the MiG-29 only had the advantage in the sustained turn. Only a odd man will struggle to use the new SMT and previous 9.12 and 9.13 MiGs.
You can’t even sustain turn anymore , that’s what I’m saying
To be fair the F-16C was meant to have G-Limiter but clearly it wasn’t implemented properly, if this was the case though they would be equal. Currently the F-16C is indeed superior to the MiG-29SMT.
I kinda find the entire update filler besides the RWR rework which I do appreciate
you’re bluffing
the mig23ml can rate at 30 degrees per second sustained
it’s the third hardest rating plane in the entire game, right after the MiG29, and it used to be able to rate with the f16a adf before they got their arcade flight model. I’ve checked your stats and you’re a russia main, you commented before that the yak 3u can’t out do the p51h. yes it can, it can even out do the spitfire mk24 performance wise for air RB lmao.
Right after Mig29? Lmao.
Looks like someone hasnt checked whats goin on with Mig29’ fm.
i was talking from before the update. IDk what they did to mig29 all i know it got nerfed.
Yet you used this argument like its still valiable.
what i’m saying ist that the mig23ml is still the best plane at 11.3 br, fm wise, armament wise, radar wise and grind wise.
So?
Just because its superior to any 10.3 doesnt mean it should go to 11.7
My MLD sits at the same br and its gets uptiered almost every time, with current mm putting Mig23 family into 11.7 will only make it worse just like how they did to Ja37D.
no no, i’m saying it’s superior to literally every 11.3. You also forget about something: the viggens don’t have better flight performance than the ml’s. I bet half liver that you’d advocate for the mig29 smt to go 12.0 despite having the best kit in the entire game right now just because it bleeds too much speed and accelerates worse than an f-5e.
Did i stutter?
İ just said that Ja37D currently suffering because it sits at 11.7 and sees uptier almost every single time. İf you put Mig23 family it will be the same deal.
Also br wise vehicle armament is also important factor which is why F4E and F4S cant be lowered in br for example.
As long as top tier sits at 12.3 Mig23 family will stay where they are.
Also that claim about Mig29 is really funny i must say.
Unlike you i dont stick with one nation, i play almost every one of them and wants to see balanced mm.
you’re still ignoring the fact that a ja37 is now basically a phantom with better slow speed turn while the mig23 ml has the performance of a 11.75 at best. The F-4S has all the bullshit that can accompany a premium like turning better one circle than the f-4e despite literally being two tons heavier. MiG23s *do not suffer going uptier
You dont even have a single Mig23 yet you’re claiming it has op flight performance alongside with armament.
While i do have every single Mig23 except ML version (which basically same plane if you compare to MLA) and other nations top tier.
İ wonder how you can you claim that Mig23 family should go up in br while you basically has zero experience with them.
Seems like you dont like to see Mig23’s in their current place cause they keep preventing you to club other planes while using F5C and F5E.
since we talk about experience, you literally have thrice better performance on the mig23s than with any other 11.3 aircraft, but you seem to totally ignore that.
Seems like you dont like to see Mig23’s in their current place cause they keep preventing you to club other planes while using F5C and F5E.
i’m not selfish, i’ve been constantly spoken for every single 10.3 and every single 11.3 in game that hasn’t any performance or armament worth 11.0 alone. You’re accusing me of selfishness while completely ignoring my point. The ML will shit on the mirage f1c, the viggen and the tornado with “muh attacka flite modul”, attackers stopped being shitbricks since the time they got afterburners and the avionics of any other fighter. The F-18 Hornet is an attacker as well, that entered service two years after the tornado did, and it’s very nimble. I’ve seen tornadoes flying in the Tactical Leadership Program in Albacete from videos that my friends sent me and they’re far from the shitbricks they’re in game. Reminder that it’s because of bozoids like you why the f-5e, a plane that solely relies on people ful comitting to a ratefight, went to 11.0 alongside the mig21 bis (320kmh faster, more and better missiles, more countermeasures) the j7e (the best top tier dogfighter til the f16 came out, with actual BS missiles that can lock on targets head on from 2km away if they’re sort of a phantom or a mirage afterburning) and the f-4e phantom (a slightly less powerful mig19 like plane that has eight opportunities to kill people out of gun range and DO CAN out dogfight a lot of stuff)
seems like you got upset that you can’t any longer fly around running away from everyone while slinging a freaking Saturn V that will proxy 100m away from your victims making their dodging and notching tactics useless.
Yes, yes it will but at 11.7 there is the F-14A which will shit on the MLD/MLA a lot harder than they shit on the F1C and Viggen. Oh and at 11.0 there is the J7E which is just a better Mig-21Bis but with less missiles than the MLA, you do pay for your BR in the MLA/MLD.
It doesn’t. The F-5C/E both have workable missiles in that they force people to turn. The F-5’s also don’t lose energy in turns, eventually they will catch you, outside of 1.5KM there is the missile which you must dodge, there’s some energy made up, then there is the guns which are effective out to 1.5KM again you must turn and bleed energy.
If the F-5 airframe wasn’t premium it would be 10.7 for the F-5C and 11.0 for the F-5E. You cannot ignore that the 10.0-11.0 br bracket is decided by flight performance and not missiles, because although there are well performing missiles, flares are incredibly effective particularly on something like an F-5 which burns cold despite somehow retaining energy. Furthermore any contemporary (Mig-21, F-4, etcetera) must turn to avoid them and cut the afterburner. This br bracket is decided by flight performance of which the F-5 excels.
İ perform well on my most planes, this not something special to Mig23MLD.
Mig23 family already sees top tier quite fruqently where it has to fight against F-16’s,F-14’s,Mirage2000’s and Mig29’s which all of them shits on Mig23 quite hard.
F5 family is quite broken cause they perform quite well even in hands of noobs, it has exceptionally cold engines, both version got workable missiles alongside with countermeasures and unrealistic energy retention. İf F5C wasnt premium it would’ve been 10.7 easily but seems like you dont care about these informations.
Due to nature of high tier Air Rb both F5 performs very well in their environment but then again you dont care about this section as well.
All im seein is someone who complains about Mig23 cause he doesnt want to get balanced by a plane that sits at 1Br above.
Well looks like you got some heavy skill issues.
He can’t play F-16ADF, can’t play F-16A, can’t play F-5, all of these he can’t play without asking for BR raises for the competition
See a pattern yet ?
Didnt even checked his U.S. stats.
But if thats the case well there is nothing it can do.
