Do you want to know what counters the Ayit at the same BR and does it with ease? The MiG-19 dude, you should try it that thing is a beast, Ayit doesn’t stand a chance
Lmao really? That’s crazy bad haha
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The R-3R can be avoided by literally just moving in any direction but a straight line towards whoever fired it
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Exactly. Its VERY simple yet because another nation has a halfway decent vehicle, they have to throw a fit because they cant seal club every match.
Its OKAY for other nations to have good vehicles.
Yes, but it’s an all aspect 10G missile, and sometimes I prefer not bleeding a tremendous amount of speed to dodge a missile when I could click a single button. Not to mention you never run out of flares in this thing, so there’s no downside to bringing a tiny bit of chaff eith you.
Fair enough, you still end up with like 50 flares and 10 chaff which is more than enough of both, still not OP by any means as all missiles at that BR are avoidable without CMs even if the 9Ds are quite difficult to avoid it’s much better than when the A-10 and SU-25 were at 9.7/10.0
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There are multiple SARH missiles from 9.7-10.3 and everyone wants to ignore the possibility of being targeted by one.
But hey, this is coming from a lousy arcade player who knows nothing, and supposedly cant work a simple webpage like “WarThunder Wiki”. Seemingly only RB/SB players have the ability to understand extremely simplified and partially unrealistic flight characteristics and dumbed down radar/missile systems.
RB players LOVE to act like they are playing a completely different game, when in fact, the differences are minor especially at jet tier. The fact I can seamlessly, play arcade all day, and then get into a RB match and not rage at how “hard” it is, says a lot. I have “Only five hours” in ARB (Most matches last a total of 8 minutes anyway) yet im able to play it exactly the same way as arcade, just with more emphasis on picking your targets and taking smart 1v1’s. The same can NOT be said for simulator battles, which CLEARLY requires an entirely different set of skills and knowledge to be successful, not so much with RB.
The attitude around RB players having some sort of forbidden knowledge that no one else can acquire unless they spend thousands of hours in realistic is just ridiculous. I have said it once and I will say it again, ITS A VIDEO GAME, we are ALL sitting our rears, in front of a PC screen; We are NOT in 1951 Korea.
I dont mean to go off tangent, it just seems like every single post has some rude players that think “You play Arcade” is some kind of get out of jail free card. The fact that other players want to reduce my comments because I have less time in ARB is downright pathetic. We can ALL read the wiki and watch a Defyn/Joob/MatAWG/TimsVariety video, and grasp the same technological information being presented. I do not need 5,000 hours and 25,000 games in ARB to understand there are PLENTY of aircraft with the same or better capabilities sitting around the same BR.
None of them need chaff to avoid, it’s very difficult to get a radar lock at low altitude and the missiles pull 10G max which means you should only die to them if you aren’t paying attention or put yourself in the perfect position to be shot at, (eg.stall speed at 5km) besides as @BasherBenDawg8 pointed out, you can just take a few clicks of chaff and still have more than enough flares for the whole match.
The Ayit would do fine at 9.7 probably, but it isn’t OP where it is and doesn’t need moving, it’s just an all around very good aircraft with a different playstyle to others of the BR.
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It’s exclusively I band as well!
I’m agreeing with you… I think its just fine where it is, but I think Chaff is essential for those moments. and sometimes, its better to throw out some chaff and lightly bank right instead of attempting to outpull a missile resulting in insane energy loss. I often bring a 30/30 mix just to throw both out at the same time, as again the RWR gives you 0 information other than vehicles being near you and if they are POSSIBLY targeting you, a majority of the time, you wont receive anything and will only be able to counter using your eyes.
I agree it would do fine at 9.7, my entire point is, there are plenty of other aircraft that are just as capable or even more around the same BR and would do “fine” with moving up .4 in BR but I don’t see bandwagons of players screeching about those. In my opinion its SILLY to want to move a vehicle into a purposefully tough position due to a couple MID Missiles and some countermeasures, just because it preforms well at the BR its in does not mean its needs to be put into a position where it can no longer preform 50% of games. Again, in my opinion this just goes back to certain players thinking their aircraft should dominate every single game and never be countered, and then when they finally meet their match, its suddenly OP and needs to be in entirely new BR bracket. This post and complaint is coming from a person who doesn’t even have the Ayit unlocked, while exclusively playing only one nation. If this is such a godly OP tech tree vehicle, why aren’t players scrambling to go unlock it, and why aren’t lobbies overflowing with Israel mains?
The answer is simple, its capable, its good, but its not THAT GOOD. And if it was, a majority of players would be flying it 24/7 like they do with BF-109s,P-47s,XP-50s, Wyverns, A-10s, AV-8s, F-4S,F-5s, F-14/15/16, MiG-17/19/21/23/29, Su-11/25/34/39, and im sure several other major aircraft im forgetting, Yet, they dont, this alone speaks to the truth behind the power of this aircraft, its no hidden gem, everyone whos at this BR knows about it and what it is capable of, yet a majority of players choose other aircraft time and time again because for most players the downsides of the Ayit are not worth managing for a couple mid tier missiles and counter measures, I dont know how many times I have to bring this up to people but the Ayit is SUB SONIC it wouldn’t stand a chance without counter measures to begin with, especially with its excessive speed bleed. Its not like these counter measures are just an extra cherry on top of your golden sundae, they are literally what makes the aircraft competitive to begin with.
Yeah this thing is broken. Out of all ratings I’ve probably played the most at the 9.3-10.0 range and having insta kill missiles AND FLARES at a lower br than the harriers at a minimum is just a joke. It’s quite maneuverable for a “strike aircraft” and can 180 as soon as you pass it and launch the aim9d to kill you before you can even run in time. Probably is under the devs radar because few people play Israel.
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I mean there are two 9.7 Harriers with CMs and AIM-9Gs which is a better missile than the Ayit gets hence the higher BR, and as far as it being a strike aircraft, the current best A2A aircraft in the game is a strike aircraft so that really has nothing to do with it.
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I understand that but at least from my experience it feels like the ayit is a lot more manueverable than the harriers. Also I don’t know for sure but I think the aim9g at least struggles if its fired at someone at close range. Regardless this whole rating is a mess. With mig 21 smt being moved to 10.7 a while back I think some of the planes with flares and missiles at 9.3-9.7 could move a step up like the squadron hunter.
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The 9G is effectively just a 9D with an uncaged seeker also
this is a bad way to try and deal with the Ayit, if you just turn with it then the missiles either won’t lock or can’t track, running away is playing into it’s hands.
all missile are insta kill, also most guns at this BR
They moved up everything 10.0 and above I believe in part to get the A10 and SU-25 away from those lower tiers, the Ayit isn’t broken for it’s BR like they were so it gets to stay.
From my own experience playing the Ayit and MiG-19 which are basically my two favorite aircraft to play, the MiG-19 and other high performance fighters do very much counter the Ayit, even the SU-7, anything with an afterburner can pretty easily energy trap the Ayit, the only issue is not getting shot down by other players whilst doing it but that’s a seperate issue.
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There are a lot of insta kill missiles at 9.7 and 10.0 but to me they shouldn’t be a single br step above the 9.3’s. I agree the mig19 is amazing(I have the chinese one) and can definitely deal with it, but I’d consider the mig 19 very good compared to the other 9.3’s. Like if you know where the ayit is long before it gets close you can deal with it but it’s not insanely slow and if one comes out of nowhere it can definitely be a problem. It should at least be the same BR as the hunter f58 I’d say.
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Again I would have to disagree, the F-58 has the 60CMs still, has much better flight performance, and has effectively AIM-9Ps which are better than any of the missiles that the Ayit gets, now if there was some general decompression from 9.0-10.0 then sure the Ayit would go up instead of staying put, but as it stands all the 9.7 vehicles have a distinct missile advantage over the Ayit with comparable flight performance and tbh decompression there would suck as there aren’t a whole lot of aircraft in that BR range
Holy cope
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Damn, they’re on to us. It’s no secret the Ayit is the best 9.3 and one of the best jets in the game. Ayit is so good that I’ve neglected playing other Israeli jets around it. Currently (finally) giving the Shahak and Nesher a go and having an absolute blast. No flares? No problems. Israeli tree keeps on giving.
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No way - re: AIM-9P being better. AIM-9D is absolutely crucial to what makes Ayit so good. The AIM-9D is just absolutely fantastic. It has the range that makes up for any speed issues of the Ayit. I would take AIM-9D/G over AIM-9E/P any day of the week and Sunday.
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There’s a big difference between the E and the P, the P is 18G with an uncaged seeker, it is pretty well better than the D.
And I would also take the G over any of them