Yeah, more armor and more pen. But the T80B still loses to Abrams due to reverse speed and I also forgot to mention the fire control systems that these get from 9.3 to 11.7. ok horizontal traverse, but the vertical is horrible, it’s only 4°/s if I remember correctly.
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The horizontal traverse is ass compared to other nations, 20 degrees a second unless you ace crew for like 800k SL
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They have one good thing - they look awesome.
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why would American tanks need more advanced ammunition when they already have a good dart?
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I’d very much trade, the reverse speed for being almost entirely able to ignore the opponent’s armor scheme (literally just don’t hit the UFP, 3BM-42 easily goes though the basic M1 otherwise) out to just over 2km, seems like it’s more useful in most envisaged scenarios where the opponent sees you, or you somehow don’t get achieve a mission kill on the first shot.
Also the real improvement isn’t that significant over short distances, due to acceleration. Though the Gun depression magnifies the advantage the M1 has. But is after all the impact of design elements that were deliberately made tradeoffs of the T series’ underlying design since it’s a smaller target, and has better armor at a much reduced weight.
So it has a marginal disadvantage at closer ranges, this can be worked around / mitigated with sufficient map knowledge and careful pathing.
To account for the fact that they don’t use the 120mm L/55 caliber guns outside a small number of prototypes, unlike the later leopards, and that without ERA bypass mechanics being implemented there is no other way to improve performance, to account for no improvement to it’s own armor in order to keep pace with the T series.
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Good points to be honest. But let’s talk about survivability when penned; fuel tanks may act like spall liners but they also have a chance to explode and in a t-80 that no spall effect does not matter that much thanks to the vertically placed charges. Also having no commander override makes this tank less survivable, since you’ll be disabled for at least 8 seconds (?)
It’s not just reverse speed you’d trade, it’s also stuff like reload and gun handling.
The T-80B is ridiculously easy to fight in an Abrams, hell the 80B is kind of sad for it’s BR.
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No, it’s enough for the br. Even if it loses the agava-1 thermal, it’s still going to perform decently at 10.7
With the changes to the turret bustle and the fact that the Hydraulic reservoir is erroneously included in all M1’s as part of the traverse mechanism it’s near impossible to, not disable the gun with a penetrating hit that enters the fighting compartment, regardless of where the penetration occurs.
At least with the T series if there is a shot loaded you have much improved chance of being able to return fire, since unlike the turret basket damage to the autoloader doesn’t effect turret traverse at all for some reason, even though it has similar protective internal paneling attached to the turret as shown above, and that the loading arm is attached to the turret and if it was to jam, the carrousel would not be able to rotate out of alignment with the turret, jamming the system and preventing it from loading the next round.
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It’s sad in the sence that it has to share it’s BR with the Object 292, T-72M2 and 80UD/DU1 which specialize more into certain aspects, meaning they are imo more fun to play.
The T-80B is just okay at best at everything, which can make it pretty mid at times.
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They won’t do anything about this, unfortunately, as they’ll likely just say its fake like the Abrams’ integrated spall liner. It’s based on the same concept and I’ve already submitted two bug reports about it and both were shot down.
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There aint no spall liner, the crew wear flak jackets for a reason
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abrams doesnt have integrate spall liners and this has been proven
however the crew where given kevlar vest or “spall vest” which is a modifcation ingame. Under the heli modifications name spall vest
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ok vlaka
Doesn’t change the fact that the T-90M isn’t good.
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Sure, it’s not a Liner by the conventional definition, but there are elements that perform a similar Spall reduction function.
Chobham, of which the initial NERA array that the M1’s use is based off. Includes plastic element(s) in the Composite matrix? Further why are each of the special armor composite elements in the Cross-sections all composed of three distinct layers, let alone referred to as a “tri-plate element” by the document itself?
Where exactly? I’ve presented evidence to the contrary above. I’d love to see a proper explanation, of it’s contents.
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You can ask people that has been in service of the Abrams that actually serve in it
you can @ Conte_Barraca if you want
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In game spall is msot of the time only calculated from the back plate, so the composite matrix doesnt generate spall at all.
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They could still replicate the impact that it would have by reducing the critical angle of the cone of spalling that is generated, and by changing the ratio of the size of fragments to reduce the quantity of small fragments.
Or by simply adding a coefficient that controls the overall damage spread that can be done by any particular fragment
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