You are right that it is just an opinion. I play around not getting hit, so the Abrams strengths suit my playstyle much better than the BVM strengths.
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I think this video sums up top tier tanks very well, however I think he’s a bit too biased in favor of the BVM.
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How so? It’s one of the most well rounded tanks you can get at top-tier. Hell, I somehow went 12-0 when I was stock.
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NATO tanks are well rounded, having good gun depression, reloads, and reverse speeds. The BVM can’t really hull-down, which is why I don’t consider it to well rounded and would 100% take a Leo/Abrams.
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Before the air superiority update I would have absolutely put the BVM in S tier. However now I think it’s solid A tier.
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Yeah same here.
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It this the guy that put the T-90M below the Abrams, Challenger 3 TD, Challenger 2E and Leclerc in terms of “defense” and below the Abrams, Leclerc, Challenger 3 TD, Challenger 2E, Merkava 4M, ZTZ99A, WZ101(E) LCT, and Ariete AMV PT1 in terms of “attack,” lol?
The T-90M defensively and offensively isn’t very good. Defensively? Large breach, no reverse gear, long reload, etc. It really only has the armor and spall liners going for it which isn’t very hard to circumvent. Offensively it also has no mobility, bad reload speed (again), etc.
TLDR: T-90M isn’t a good tank. I agree.
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The T-90M is just incredibly mid. I would not put it below the Challengers, Merkavas and Arietes, but I would definitely put it below the SEPv1.
Is there another impeccable SpeclistMain top tier take coming? With all your top tier experience (even though you have no vehicle above 9.3).
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I’m sure there is a massive difference all of a sudden between then, sure (/s).
- A feature of basically every top tier tank (although most NATO tanks have it worse)
- A feature that has little relevance in the vast majority of circumstances (I really don’t understand why people think the reverse gear matters, when the circumstances where a Russian reverse speed wouldn’t get behind cover and a NATO reverse speed would is minimal [just mathematically it doesn’t make sense]).
- A necessary balancing measure that also isn’t inaccurate (yeah, lower the 2A7/122B+ reloads as well, why not)
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You have max 9.3, which you perform pretty bad at already. So whatever you say doesn’t hold much value. No matter how many videos you watch, if you are not really good at high tier you will just misinterpret it or misunderstand it.
Also nothing changed regarding the T-90M. It was mid when it was released and it’s mid now.
Ah here it is, this right here just proves that you don’t know what you are talking about. Reverse speed is incredibly important.
The 2A7s/122s are dominant because they have good/great mobility, armor, firepower and survivability.
The T-90M is mid because it has great armor, mediocre mobility, iffy survivability and mid firepower.
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Legitimately, what would a higher reverse speed allow you to do that is so important? Seriously the gap between how far you can move with a Russian reverse versus a NATO reverse just isn’t that big, and the time required to aim at a target is small.
amazing survivability*, not getting penned > surviving being penned
Frankly beyond the reload the rounds themselves are more or less at the max breakpoint for the rounds in game. Until a round crests 690mm of flat pen, or gets anti-era effects (the funni russian 152mm does this and can lolpen everything but leopard cheeks reliably) the most rounds dont change what you can actually penetrate.
This is why M829A1 or KE-W work fine at top tier, they pen the same stuff that M829A2 can, along with 3BM60, and DM53. Yes the higher pen rounds are a bit more reliable, but they dont change what you can lolpen.
The 90M also gets a substantial upgrade to gun handling compared to the likes of the T-80U, being equal in performance to the leopard 2AX series.
Beyond the very tip top of gun power like the Type 10, the 90M is firmly in the middle top of WT along with a myriad of other tanks firepower wise, being only really held back by it’s reload, however, it does benefit from not having a loader to kill.
80% of the time I see one it dies in 1-2 shots. I hardly bounce on them.
4 km/h compared to 30-40 km/h is actually a massive difference. It means that if a T-90M peaks and messes up, it’s guaranteed to be dead.
Players that have played top tier, especially actually decent-good players, know that they can get immensely more value from the nato reverse than from the T-90M armor.
Yeah everything above ~570-580mm pen is pretty much the same, so it comes down to reload which makes it mid.
I felt like calling the firepower bad would have been a bit over the top, because it’s still managable.
Don’t play the Soviet T-80U, but have played the swedish one. It’s honestly a fine tank - good enough round, even in an uptier, decent armor, very good mobility, acceptable gun handling. And since most people don’t have aced crews, the ROF is acceptable. Depression/reverse are the usual downside, and I personally hate gen 1 thermals. Personally think it’s fine at 11.3, and since the Soviet one is a bit better, it’s probably fine at 11.7.
Definitely the Arietes and Merks are better than the T90M because both of them are better in being garbage and trash.
What made Sweden the best nation when it comes to tanks is superior armor, crazy how neither of the tanks you mentioned got none.
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Not quite true.
DM53 from L/55 cannon can penetrate UFPs of K5 tanks, meanwhile those you mentioned can’t.
Also, more penetration means better spall so it’s always better to have more.
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Simply not true, reverse speed helps greatly when you expose yourself to fire and want to get back behind cover immediately. It also helps when you need to escape certain situations.
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I’m not sure how that goes against what I said.
In a realistic scenario regarding peaking, I doubt any tank will be able to hit the brakes/reverse fast enough for them to accelerate out of an enemy’s sight before they’re shot. When talking about full-on having to reverse into an alley or something, I have even more doubt that any tank can reverse a whole tank-length or more quick enough.
It helps greatly in the small number of scenarios where it would matter, but again a tank being able to reverse a tank length or more just isn’t happening with any in-game reverse gear.
You are making the massive assumption that reverse speed is only useful in urban combat. The assumption itself doesn’t suprise me seeing as you really don’t have much of an understanding of top tier.
The lack of reverse speed makes it so that the T-90M also can’t really play hull down at all, because if it messes up even a little it will just get killed for it.
The reverse speed is more helpful than the T-90M armor and survivability though. I’m pretty curious which content creator has convinced you that this isn’t true.
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