Most T80U users believe that T80U's performance is insufficient, it is recommended to lower the BR

No turret ring is invincible, but buffing it to 200mm of protection would help alot against light vehicles, that’s why they’ve been saying but we can’t forget about no hull improvements whatsoever from the base M1 to the SEPV2.

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If only autocannon vehicles at top tier weren’t a dying breed. Buffing the armor there won’t really help you much in most engagements. I’d say that changing the placement of the hydraulic pump would be a much better buff, but I rarely even see that being talked about.

Nah

And the T-series aren’t? I have surely 1-2 shot killed a lot of them today.

2A7s and Strv 122s make up the top 5 MBTs by a longshot. 6-9 is the Type 10, TKX, SEPv1 and BVM in any order really.

With how many 2S38s/BMP-2Ms you see running around? it would be a massive help for all Abrams especially during sales.

Although yeah the M1/IPM1/M1A1 would benefit most from it.

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So you saying that you’d take a SEPV1 which is exactly like the SEPV2 but without the add-on side armor over a BVM?

Pre turret basket/vertical drive nerf? Yes, every time any day of the week.

Post turret basket/vertical drive nerf? Still yes, but not as massively yes as before.

Imo the reduced mobility from the 4t of mostly useless side ERA just ruins the SEPv2 for me.

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You do realize that the SEPV1 is weaker than the M1A1 at a higher BR right?

Nah i hate the feeling of getting cripled by literally anything.

Sure, I still did pretty well in it whenever I took it out.

It’s widely known that M1A1 is borderline overpowered at 11.3, especially pre nerf. So no shot a lot of people did/do well in it.

Whenever I shoot an Abrams it either dies in 1 shot or gets crippled, whenever I shoot a BVM it dies in 1 shot or gets crippled.

For me there really just isn’t much of a difference when facing them. And when playing them I prefer the active advantages of the Abrams over the Passive advantages of the BVM.

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I never really seen hordes of light vehicles at those ranks. No wonder to be honest, as those are pretty inferior to MBTs in most situations.

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You are right that it is just an opinion. I play around not getting hit, so the Abrams strengths suit my playstyle much better than the BVM strengths.

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I think this video sums up top tier tanks very well, however I think he’s a bit too biased in favor of the BVM.

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How so? It’s one of the most well rounded tanks you can get at top-tier. Hell, I somehow went 12-0 when I was stock.

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NATO tanks are well rounded, having good gun depression, reloads, and reverse speeds. The BVM can’t really hull-down, which is why I don’t consider it to well rounded and would 100% take a Leo/Abrams.

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Before the air superiority update I would have absolutely put the BVM in S tier. However now I think it’s solid A tier.

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Yeah same here.

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It this the guy that put the T-90M below the Abrams, Challenger 3 TD, Challenger 2E and Leclerc in terms of “defense” and below the Abrams, Leclerc, Challenger 3 TD, Challenger 2E, Merkava 4M, ZTZ99A, WZ101(E) LCT, and Ariete AMV PT1 in terms of “attack,” lol?

The T-90M defensively and offensively isn’t very good. Defensively? Large breach, no reverse gear, long reload, etc. It really only has the armor and spall liners going for it which isn’t very hard to circumvent. Offensively it also has no mobility, bad reload speed (again), etc.

TLDR: T-90M isn’t a good tank. I agree.

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The T-90M is just incredibly mid. I would not put it below the Challengers, Merkavas and Arietes, but I would definitely put it below the SEPv1.

Is there another impeccable SpeclistMain top tier take coming? With all your top tier experience (even though you have no vehicle above 9.3).

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I’m sure there is a massive difference all of a sudden between then, sure (/s).

  1. A feature of basically every top tier tank (although most NATO tanks have it worse)
  2. A feature that has little relevance in the vast majority of circumstances (I really don’t understand why people think the reverse gear matters, when the circumstances where a Russian reverse speed wouldn’t get behind cover and a NATO reverse speed would is minimal [just mathematically it doesn’t make sense]).
  3. A necessary balancing measure that also isn’t inaccurate (yeah, lower the 2A7/122B+ reloads as well, why not)
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You have max 9.3, which you perform pretty bad at already. So whatever you say doesn’t hold much value. No matter how many videos you watch, if you are not really good at high tier you will just misinterpret it or misunderstand it.

Also nothing changed regarding the T-90M. It was mid when it was released and it’s mid now.

Ah here it is, this right here just proves that you don’t know what you are talking about. Reverse speed is incredibly important.

The 2A7s/122s are dominant because they have good/great mobility, armor, firepower and survivability.

The T-90M is mid because it has great armor, mediocre mobility, iffy survivability and mid firepower.

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