As in title. There’s not enough discussion for how GRB br should distinguish many low tier CAS from CAP, though we still have "oppose any suggestion“ thread etc
CAS is the biggest problem and many players would enjoy a gamemode with the complete absence of it. The simpliest solution is to create a new gamemode without it but unfortunately too many smooth brain CAS mains would moan about it and gaijin would loose revenue so alas we will never have it
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coming from a clear CAS player, your defence in this is abundantly clear… MUST PLAY PLANES<!
That said - YES, in Ground RB for example - not every battle in war had CAS to prevent, NOW what I personally think is that it should be a roulette on each map as to whether a plane can or cannot be used.
Last match I played - 9 enemy planes… I shot down 6. BUT that doesn’t excuse the fact there have been significant posts requesting No CAS matches and lately it is far too easy to cap and spawn a plane with the ridiculously low CAS requirements.
As I said, if CAS was a random map situation then this would solve the ever long debate, UNFORTUNATELY as stated War Thunder is a Plane biased game thus the cry baby CAS lovers would object.
Yes this post is old, but still very relevant to those that play.
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this doesn’t matter even a little bit
then a large amount of vehicles become pretty useless being able to only be used 50% of the time, especially when you cant even spawn CAS in every match unless you’re an exceptional player?
For tank players, thats like intentionally setting dog poops in the room so broom can stay “useful” but people who hate cleaning don’t want anything to do with it, I mean we can have room free of dog poops by not having a dog?
CAS = dog poops, make the area stinks
SPAA = cleaner
Should have a place where I don’t have deal with them bro no A equal to not having to do B hehe
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Tank players aren’t entitled to a plane free game. The game has been this way for 12 years. This is the way the game is. If you insist on not grinding planes or SPAA then you get what you get.
Also, ALL helicopters become FULLY useless if you cant use them in GRB, same with ALL cas planes that don’t happen to also be good fighters.
Safe to say, you are never getting a “tank only” gamemode. It simply isn’t going to happen because it doesn’t make sense and would only cater to a vocal minority. Your best options are to either suggest REALISTIC balancing changes that have a chance to happen, or use the tools at your disposal that you’ve had since you downloaded the game for the first time to deal with CAS.
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CAS should be removed from ground battles bro, or they can make the Advance mode a permanent mode like assault mode, only see one CAS in 20 matches so tank players don’t have to deal with those flying craps they can enjoy ground vehicles in peace bro it’s like remove pineapples from pizza it’s not that hard.
“Since the beginning of time” that’s like saying your room filled with poops for a long time and it smells horrible like forever, you ain’t entitled for a room that has no poops, I mean I can even offer money like become a super VIP bro, like hiring a maid so I don’t have to do the cleaning myself. It should have been a thing bro everybody should have an option to stay away from smelly area, leave it for someone who wants to be there
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No.
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Indeed it’s a stupid opinion, and frankly it’ll only spiral out of control over time. The more crying minority shavings of the playerbase which get given their particular pet game modes only embolden others to pop out of the woodwork.
Ever since I first played Naval EC years ago, I have frankly been of the opinion that if that mode were given proper development to be compatible with all unit types, that could gradually become a “Full Combined Arms EC Mode” that eventually renders the split modes unnecessary and leads to the split modes being closed down entirely. Obviously assets would get re-used where sensible.
Unfortunately trying to convince these people that they’re after a lost cause is equivalent to trying to debate the existence of “God” to a religious person - you cannot reason someone out of a position they did not reason themselves into.
The entire push for “ground-only” really boils down to the following:
“I got killed by that, I don’t like it and I’m helpless against it, WAAAAAH, give me a mode without it or nerf it into irrelevance!” And then the moment said game mode arises or the “offending” vehicle gets nerfed, the same people just find something else to complain about.
In other words, it’s a perpetual victim mentality you’re arguing with. People who refuse to take several steps back and genuinely LOOK at just what CAS is and isn’t to diagnose the actual problems. Angry people do not think rationally - thus again, you cannot reason someone out of a position they did not rationally reason themselves into. In effect they’re so angry they lash out at what they feel is the problem without actually thinking if that feeling is correctly placed or not.
Now, it isn’t all hopeless, but truly solving this requires an unorthodox solution. One that targets the actual terrible implementation problems of how CAS currently operates, one that makes the intended counters so easy to use and guaranteed-available that nobody can make excuses of how “OP” it is anymore without humiliating themselves in the process, and one that expands the practical utility of both CAS and Tanks in a healthy, cooperative manner. And the most ironic part is that the game largely has all the pieces in place split amongst different game modes to do this if the developers actually wanted to.
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CAS players aren’t entitled to ruin ground mode either. You have your own
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CAS planes arent played in ARB except to spade. ARB is a TDM only gamemode. Planes fit into GRB. We will all have to learn to accept that and instead suggest more reasonable things like balancing CAS instead of trying to remove it.
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I couldn’t care less. Keep your plane in your game mode
Hey guess what, they’re not removing planes from GRB, so you are either pointlessly whining to the universe or you can try suggesting ways to balance it instead that might actually get implemented.
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Yeah, triple the spawn point cost for the plane and ordinance and remove the cost reduction for spotting with light tanks
unreasonable so isnt going to happen
reasonable
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See, you’re just a crybaby. There is no realistic way to balanced CAS, especially at lower tiers, if not by making it extremely hard to obtain. x3 price is extremely reasonable
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How do you even come to this conclusion from what I’ve said??
Raise SP (just not by 3x), reduce CAP fighter SP cost, etc
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Because you’ve been saying no to whatever hinders CAS.
No everyone has grinded the Air Tree for whatever nation they are playing. The point is to make CAS extremely hard to get, 3 times the price is the the only realistic way if doing it.