Why does the leopard 2a7v the only top tier German tank that gets gen 3 thermals for gunners sight but MBT’s like the PSO or 2a6/2a7 don’t. I know this is just a game. Buts its kind of unacceptable when other nation top tier MBT’s have gen 3. Would love to see what everyone thinks.
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Why do all of those have gen 2 commander thermals while theres top tier leclercs (and tons of other high tier/top tier mbts) without any commander thermals (coming from one of the main countries actually producing them)?
Why is the sepv2 the only abrams with good gunner thermals? while the aim doesnt have any commander sight somehow at all? though it does have commander override i believe?
Why is there not a single Leopard in the swedish tech tree that has anything better than gen 1 gunner thermals?
what i am saying is that in every other tech tree of the 7 i have finished theres about the same amount of top/high tier tanks with high resolution gunner thermals. maybe despite russia with t80bvm, t90m and t72b3. But none of those despite the t90m have thermals on commander sights. It is a way to balance these and put some differences between them. Problem is only: why is the leo2a5 at the same BR like the Leo 2a7v? which is better in everything besides forward max speed and acceleration (which - how much does that tiny difference on 500 m maps really influence its effectiveness?)
Tanks have up and downsides and despite whether that is 100% accurate to irl (which im relatively sure it more or less is apart from most thermals having (slightly) different resolutions irl) it makes tanks especially the 100s of leo variants different and gives them different strengths and weaknesses. It is the reason i prefer the leo2a7 over the strvs because despite worse armor i prefer to quickly see at what kind of tank and which part of it i am shooting at through thermals when visibility is bad or obstructed. and for other players im sure the strv122b+ is the best tank in game. People luckily have different playstyles and value different aspects of otherwise very similar vehicles which makes most of them valid if you play them efficiently.
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Now were running into the problem with copy and paste tanks when trying to make it look like a “variety” between the thousands of leopards in game. Although that’s not entirely true since the leopard 2a4 is widely transported or used by other nations. And as far as balancing it wouldn’t make a difference.
Well, it is a game where you play lineups so its good to have replacements for the main ground rb asset you usually use to win top tier games. Still would be cool for people grinding the tech trees and currently spading their leo2a5 or whatever to have that reflected in the BR they are fighting at and not having to fight tons of way better vehicles that somehow all are at exactly the same BR (at least not every match).
How do you mean? balancing leos if they had better thermals? Cant follow you on that one…
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What I mean by that it doesn’t really effect the balance. The leopard 2a5 and 2a6 still fight pretty good regardless of their gen thermals. Just a little blurry. That’s all.
At least for their br.
Exactly. On a lot of maps those don’t make such a big difference after all and it is good to get used to not using them. What i usually run is thermals with commander control on through commander sight on but for gunner in brawls and precise shooting in close quarters (without having to use the laserrangefinder each time to offset the parallax) thermals are off. Gen1s are more confusing a lot of times so it may take you longer to see what part of the tank youre actually shooting then without. Viable for scouting in high vegetation areas but apart from that gen 1 is just a gimmick and the gen 2s from commander sight coupled with way wider fov is better anyhow. Scout with that and switch to guner sight to shoot. Or use the laserrangefinder and shoot from gunner if youre sure the line of sight from your gun is not obstructed and you have time to wait for the laser.
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Idk. For some reason my brain was looking for explanation thats all.
Nothing wrong with that. Forum is the place to go to, theres tons of people here that have insane knowledge about these kind of things. Thats what its for.
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Appreciate it brother.
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Does commander sight really that useful?
It’s not, SEP has gen2 as well.
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Very useful for hull down.
Yes, Much bigger FOV and as tigerace said, in any position where you are sitting hull down or even tank down you can arc the shot over the hill targetting specific spots on enemy tanks while they cant or can barely see you. Prime ecample would be the cv90120 which i think is still the vehicle with the highest resolution on any of its sights (in this case commander sight). You can shoot enemy tanks precisely into their weakspots from behind hills and from 2-3 km distance when they cant even see you at all (ofc depends on long range map) because you can target them and shoot them without delay from the sight on top of the turret.
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I do that with binocular to align the gunner sight crosshair on the target as the view height is higher, only thing I wish is that the binoculars can zoom as far as the commander sight does lol for most tanks the commader sight is way too low, just slightly higher than the gunner sight so part of your dome still exposed.
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well, i edited my message. cv90120!.
Also on maps with very slight hills (firearc/kursk) you can drive around the south of the map and target enemies in the middle town that have no chance of seeing you because the shell will arc over the hill. and you dont have to sit still and wait for them to sit still. if you bind shooting from commander sight, once you use the laserrangefinder it even alligns parralax to the distance you measured you can shoot from the commander sight as if it was your gunner sight (ofc only for the distance you measured for longer/closer range shots the shells will still impact more or less offset) also if only part of the turret with the commander sight is exposed that also means enemies can only target that part of your tank with fast travelling (apfsds) shells and this part has barely any weakspots frontally. while from gunner sight the enemy is behind the hill in a lot of cases you can still target him precisely in real time without the workaround of binos from the gunner sight. try it!
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i see, well i should have known that since thats my highest spaded tank for us but anyhow. that makes it 3 (?) tanks with high resolution gunner thermals for us (M1A1 AIM and the two SEPs). a number comparable to any other tech tree.) Germany: Leo2a7v and 2PL while all the other leo2s from 2a5 up have gen 2 commanders which barely any other nation has. So it is kinda balanced in that regard (for sights/thermals at least) imo.
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nope it is just that they all had gen1 gunner thermals until the leo 2A7V irl
Blame Rheinmetall.
It does, it’s just not accessed through the commander sight key because controls limitations.
Commander thermal sights equipped to machine guns are sadly unusable in the normal fashion at this time.
I forgot the commander sight even exists, tbh
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