Modern ARH (FOX 3) Missile - History, Performance & Discussion

Don’t forget that the JATM doesn’t yet have the userbase, infrastructure or production scale behind it that the AMRAAM has Unit cost will drop over time for subsequent lots(R&D costs are sunk, so price reflects only Materials, Work done and Profit), especially once a second source is established and so biding for production orders can occur.

The initial LRIP Lot one run of 180 AIM-120A cost 537.4 million (4x estimates) in FY 87 dollars, that puts an AUR at ~3 million (2,983,333) each or, 1,574,814,461.54 in FY26 dollars, or just over one and a half billion USD accounting for inflation.

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if i remember right, some export aim-120d sales were like $3 million per missile, while the US paid a little over $1 million. apply a similar standard to these AIM-260 sales and you get a price about 2x as much as an AIM-120D for the earliest batches which is not bad

doubt it, US makes stuff to overmatch. maybe PL-16 will give the initial version some trouble but i expect it to readily compete with or beat the PL-15

given that 120D already can out range PL15E by a significant margin, it is very safe to assume that aim-260 is easily a better missile than PL15

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  1. PL-15E is an EXPORT missile with range EXCEEDING 145km
    (while the AIM-260 estimates are for the actual service missile)

  2. the normal PL-15 has no range estimates given by official sources (and iirc the estimates given for that one are over 200km)

(3. why bother with the PL-15 when you could get the PL-12AE with >120km range )

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i mean surely there’s a reason why pl-12ae has no export buyers while pl-15e has actually already been exported to other countries already

cause the PL-12AE is 2024 missile (shown off at Zuhai 2024) so barely over a year old, invalidates my own point tbf

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tbh i am kinda excited for Zuhai this year

hopefully we get to see the PL-16 or something

(or another BS missile/munition gaijin can add to china )

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pl-11ae again would be cool to see

yeah but there is literally nothing on it afaik (i think i can find where it comes from developmental wise tbf)

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and 120D3 has been shown to hit subsonic targets at ~200km

do you really think AIM260 wont be longer ranged than 120D3?

given that AIM260 is still entering service it is safe to assume its able to hit 250-300km at a minimum

never implied that the AIM-260 will be shorter ranged or anything like that, i just pointed out that the PL-15E is an export missile with range exceeding 145km´s (not 145km´s hard)+ not in-service and information on the range of the indigenous PL-15 is basically null (and most estimates put it at 200km´s on the minimum) so you cant really compare the two

while we do know the requirements of the 260 we dont know the ones of the PL-15 afaik so you cant even go off of that

yes and my point is that AIM260 can easily compete with PL15, and even depending on estimates be a significantly better missile

unlike what some people here were claiming about PL15 being clearly better

remember that AIM-260 is limited to AMRAAM’s form factor, while PL-15 is 25mm thicker and ~34cm longer, so it has much more room for propellant

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and?

again, reasonable estimates for AIM260 still put it as similar or longer range than PL15

you just arguing bigger missile is better doesnt change that all things equal that may be true, but there are a lot of other factors

Are these reasonable estimates in the room with us right now?

are you trying to claim that AIM260 doesnt have a longer range than AIM120D3?

and despite that is still under development and entering service, you know despite its hard requirements including a significantly longer range than AIM120?

You really want that to be the truth to the point of imagining stuff. How about you post some proof about the missile that only 2 pictures exist in public

Quick reminder that PL-15E shot down a meteor equipped Rafale in the Pakistan-India scuffles not too long ago. The publicly stated 145km range is likely pretty heavily underselling it.

PL-15 is just an outright larger missile, and it also uses dual pulse afaik, so its dubious that JATM outranges it imo. Its possible the US has a bunch of tricks in it to stretch out the range even more, like a new type of higher performance fuel, even more miniaturized electronics, a higher performance battery, etc… but at the end of the day, JATM will always be constrained by its form factor.

I seriously doubt JATM is a better missile than PL-15 at this point. China is almost garanteed to have bridged the tech gap with the US in this kind of development, if not outright surpassed them. PL-15 is already their mainstay BVR missile, and is already known to have an AESA seeker to boot. Everything publicly known to be new and “exciting” about the JATM are things the PL-15 already has, so the assumption that somehow JATM is better is purely based on cope that the US remains technologically superior, and not on publicly known facts.

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Please do not bring anything with pakistan india into the arguments as none of that stuff is confirmed by any reliable news source or government

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Its known for a fact it was a rafale that was shot down, its known for a fact it was shot down by PL-15E (from missile debris found nearby), and its known for a fact it had meteors onboard (also from nearby missile debris).