what do you mean imagining
we know 120D3 has hit SUBSONIC targets at ~200km (iirc a lot of soviet and chinese missile tests have been on faster targets)
and given that AIM-260 is still entering service while its main requirement was a significantly longer range, that would give it a minimum of ~250km range, with likely 300km+ to satisfy some secondary sources about it being roughly double the range of earlier 120D variants and known improvements made to propellant grains during its development
if anything its you imagining stuff with you trying to hype up the range of an export missile to be well over the range they use to market it to customers
AIM-260 and AIM-120D-3. Marked part represents the approximate motor length.
Knowing that the JATM is mostly the same size as the AMRAAM, through an educated guess, I’d say that the motor on the AIM-260 is around 25% larger
Add some potential motor grain developments (as we’ve seen with the AIM-9X SMOKE program) and there you have it, BVR pole
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im not saying it doesn’t have more range than the 120 but that also doesn’t guarantee that it will compete 1-1 or better with other missiles that are way larger as well
Get ready for 18g max pull with those fins
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ok?
except again, estimates put it as having as long of a range or longer range than PL15, even the most pessimistic estimates for AIM-260 range matches the range estimates for PL15
Can you already post those estimates
and significantly reduced drag
from nose shape, removing mid body wings, and further clipped fins
honestly with all the changes ~50% range increase over 120D3 is probably an underestimate
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what estimates,
it feels like you are being deliberately obtuse here
this is commonly quoted as pulling 50Gs
lifting body missiles can pull a lot harder than you would think given the fin sizes, and AIM260 has a center of mass very far forward during flight due to the motor length
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and no thrust vectoring too. Could we maybe get a good close in missile for the U.S. too??
All jokes aside, gaijin will give it a 10 bazillion second guidance delay because it’s for stealth fighters and BVR, which obviously doesn’t need faster guidance reactions :)))))=
AMRAAM treatment maybe you wanted to say. The PL-12 is just recent :))
Yet in game it is (well, its sister, CAMM) limited to 27G max.
Nah it will be sparrow rolled and it will be outpulled by a rafale in a headon
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so will still pull better than the current in game amraam
That 27 is like 0.1% of cases, standard is 20-22G
which is about the same as amraam does except on that ive only seen it spike up to ~25
The us is working with different limitations, the j20 iwb is quite large, jatm not being equal to pl15 is dubious, it’s almost a decade old by now, whilst the jatm is not even in service officially yet, form factor isnt everything to a missile especially when the difference isnt THAT large all things considered. The us isnt exactly new to rocketry either i would wait till more is known about jatm’s perfomance that isnt just the size of the missile.
And you don’t need to look far to see the us employs advanced missiles, nobody employs something quite to the same level as agm88g yet
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Camms dont pull very well ingame so theres that
Age of service doesnt necessarily mean much, otherwise the newly in-service Aim-120D3 would have greater range than the decade old Meteor for example.
But Mythic is right. If the US has limited themselves to the same form factor as the Aim-120, then it will inherrently be limited in what it can do. PL-15 isnt operating within the same constraints and therefore is larger, which does give it the potential for having advantages over the Aim-260 in terms of range simply on the grounds that it can have more fuel or a bigger battery or both. The US probably had to make some compromises to maximise what performance they have gotten out of the missiles its size (probably a smaller warhead for example)
We know for example that the Meteor MLU has hit a similar issue and is why the Comet is also being developed as an overall much larger missile that is not limited to the same constraints
But yes, utimately yes, we will have to wait.
Though that would be because most nations are developing different types of weapons, and have gone away from large, single function ARM missiles and instead developing smaller, mutli-role weapons in greater quantity. At the end of the day, 18x Spear-3s for example is going to do a lot more damage than 4x AGM-88s and are probably more likely to actually reach the target.
We’ve also seen the effectiveness of “old” weapons like the Storm Shadow used in a certain conflict
