That’s practical space, not theoretical.
As you can see there, not even 50% of fighter space is filled in USA.
There’s still 22 free slots open for fighters in rank 2. 4 vehicles per folder, which isn’t unprecedented.
@Grzegames
Q&A he says WW2 vehicles are added and more will come.
Focus =/= exclusion.
Yes, exactly.
In theory you can add a lot more, but practically they will be locked into existing vehicle classes and most even specific families to allow them to fit, which simply won’t be enough to add all of the existing options.
And that’s still just 22 fighters as you say, there is far more than 22 fighters missing here for example, with many more options ranging from entirely new aircraft to variants of families already in game.
So again, there isn’t enough space for everything. Of course they won’t add everything at once, so in thepry this isn’t needed, but there still should always be enough space that Gaijin can pick any individual option at any point in time.
In rank 2? I doubt that.
And that’s without adding a 4th row.
Maybe I’m stupid, but the statement “adding even more vehicles of that era doesn’t make much sense” means they don’t see the point of adding new vehicles to TT. I have a life, I don’t have time to constantly play War Thunder to earn event vehicles and the Battle Pass. Plus, I’m not going to give those thieves at Gajin a penny for premium vehicles.
@Grzegames
“Even more” than an unknown number above 40.
Focusing , meaning to give priority, to early cold war jets, to props, to medium tanks, when there are holes elsewhere doesn’t make much sense.
That doesn’t mean the focusing on BR holes means no new vehicles where there is saturation, but it does mean there will be less until holes are filled.
And that answer is exclusively in the context of the short-term, the next few updates. It’s not in the context of the long-term of the game.
So claiming they’re not going to add WW2 vehicles is 100% a blatant lie when they stated the opposite.
Last year, only 14 WWII-era TT vehicles were added. Yes, that’s more than 10, and that’s probably the only positive. The countries that received new vehicles were the UK, Sweden, Germany, the USSR, and France. The rest received nothing. This gives me a good reason to consider writing suggestions pointless. Why waste hours searching for sources and then spending even more hours writing suggestions if they won’t make it into the game anyway? It’s a pointless waste of time.
@Grzegames
Except WW2 vehicles are being added to the game, and last year ~40 WW2 vehicles were added to the game.
WW2 vehicles will still be added to War Thunder.
They’re coming, you can’t stop it.
Your suggestions of real projects will likely come to the game.
I really don’t feel like looking up every single US aircraft that might end up in rank 2, so here’s just 23 of them taken from suggestions here on the forum (linked below):
Bell XFL-1 Airabonita
Bell XFL-1 Airabonita - US Navy’s “Airacobra”
Bell XP-77
Bell XP-77 - USAAF's Ultra-Light Plywood Fighter
Bell YFM-1 Airacuda
Bell YFM-1 Airacuda - America's Bomber Destroyer
Boeing B-17B (Early) Flying Fortress
Boeing B-17B (Early) Flying Fortress: The Birth of a Legend...
Boeing XB-15
Boeing XB-15 - Pre-War Giant of US Aviation
Bristol Beaufighter Mk VIF
Bristol Beaufighter Mk VIF - Reverse Lend-Lease Night Fighter for the USAAF
Curtiss P-40B Warhawk
Curtiss P-40B Warhawk - Vanguard of the Pacific
Curtiss SC-2 Seahawk
Curtiss SC-2 Seahawk - The Last Onboard Floatplane for the US Navy (Part 2)
Curtiss XP-46
Curtiss XP-46 - The Quest for the Warhawk’s Successor
Curtiss XP-60
Curtiss XP-60 - A Series of Misdirected Attempts to Get Things Right (I)
Curtiss YP-37
Curtiss YP-37 - American MiG-3
Douglas A-20C Havoc
Douglas A-20C Havoc - The Wrecking Havoc (III)
Douglas B-23 Dragon
B-23 Dragon | Passive Traveler
Douglas P-70 Nighthawk
Douglas P-70 Nighthawk - A Stopgap Solution for Modern Radar-Equipped Night Fighters (I)
Grumman F6F-3 Hellcat
Grumman F6F-3 Hellcat - The Zero Killer
Helio AU-24A Stallion
Helio AU-24A Stallion: mini gunship
Lockheed P2V-1 Neptune
Lockheed P2V-1 Neptune - The Master of the Oceans (I)
Lockheed P-38D Lightning
Lockheed P-38D Lightning - A Baseline for Future Lightnings
Martin B-26-MA Marauder
Martin B-26-MA Marauder - Initial Production Variant
North American B-25D Mitchell
North American B-25D Mitchell - The Second Most Mass-Produced Mitchell
North American P-51B-5 Mustang
North American P-51B-5 Mustang - 'B' Variant with a Malcolm Hood
North American P-64
North American P-64 - The Forgotten "American" Fighter Trainer
Northrop A-17A Nomad
The Northrop A-17A Nomad: Ruler of the sky... Almost.
I limited myself to only use already suggested vehicles, as well as not using more than one of a vehicle family, just to make it more interesting and not have the entire list filled with P-39s alone.
Which would be a way to create more space that we don’t have yet. You can’t use a possible solution to disprove a problem.
I think the problem there, and ultimately what’s caused the controversy over the Q&A, is how many of those 40 were actual Tech Tree vehicles and not Event/Premium/Squadron Vehicles. Going by Grez’s list there, only 12 out of the 36 or so listed were TT vehicles. That matches what BVVd was saying about them not seeing the need to add many more to the TT going forward, and generally reserving them for events/premiums, which is a tad annoying.
True, but then again, there’s definitely way more than 22 fighters they could add to the US TT at that rank and thats not counting Bombers, attackers, strike aircraft etc
That is something I can get behind.
2024 saw more event/premiums than 2025 relative to all other additions, and BVVD did a poor job answering the question.
We know BVVD meant that 40+ vehicles will continue to be added while they focus on filling BR holes.
Which means after they finish filling holes things change. Just as 2025 saw more filler additions than 2024, 2026 and 2027 will see more than 2025.
@MAUSWAFFE Your list included around 7 bombers and strike aircraft.
The Curtiss SC-2 Seahawk would also be rank 1.
At rank I there can be more than 3 horizontal lines, current maximum is 4 afaik, but since arrows between rank I and II aren’t necessary, there can be even more.
Edit: nevermind looked at event stuff
Fair enough, but considering that’s still only four short of the 20 spaces left for fighters in Rank II (assuming 3 fighter lines * 3 vehicle folders per line * 4 vehicles per folder - 16 already in the tree) I’d say it still gets the point across.
This wasn’t all aircraft they could add, it was just a few I could find quickly.
I could probably use up at least half the space for P-39 variants alone, and that is ignoring that there is at most enough space for five of them in the tree, less if you merge P-400 and P-39 folders to make room for another type.
I know this is getting off topic but the Boeing B-17B (Early) Flying Fortress would suck in all the right ways and should be added for that reason alone
+1 as usual.
Alright bro you can go do Cold War vehicles now )))
It’s sad that it has come to this, WW2 has created a HUGE amount of vehicles that “too many” is really too few, and your suggestions show this to be true even for a country as small and limited on options as Japan is.
This is unfortunate, as Malaysia could have brought the CAC Sabre with it.
First, from the Cold War era I could only write about 10 proposals (aircraft and ground vehicles) for Japan.
Secondly, I don’t like writing suggestions for modern vehicles because I don’t fully understand most of the technology used in them. I struggled mightily with suggestions for the FS-T2 Kai and the MiG-25P.
The suggestions I’ve managed to write represent only two-thirds or even less of all the aircraft suggestions I’ve planned. One could add another 100 suggestions to the existing aircraft suggestions for Japan, and there would still be aircraft to suggest, 50 more suggestions to tanks, 20 more suggestions to helicopters, and at least 70 or more suggestions to ships. That’s a huge number of possible suggestions that gajin could completely ignore.
This really should be a sign for Gaijin to add more non-top tier content. Especially because this is only for Japan alone, only until 1945 and only aircraft specifically. A lot of nations in game have significantly more than this even, and then there’s still even more nations we just don’t have in the game such as Poland for example.
The 20s through 40s have just brought so many unique vehicles, as well as many more even after that, but for some reason the game seems to just be rapidly progressing towards the modern day and leaving all of these behind.
I really hope once they are done they won’t just let the game die, because with it we would lose what may be the only chance to ever see many of the lesser known missing vehicles in a game.
I wish I could be as optimistic as you. The last Japanese WW2 aircraft was the B7A2 (Homare 23) added on July 26, 2023, and the last vehicle in the tech tree was the A6M5 Hei added on March 10, 2021. Japan is the most neglected nation in War Thunder in this regard.
Agree I am sad there is no A6M8 as its the last of the much beloved ZERO. To be honest I loved the A6M5 when it was placed at 4.7 as you had an awesome line up.
If you have an excel file of vehicles not submitted that would be cool to have. Though I know not every plane or tank is viable in game a million old Biplanes is a bit much.
I have it as a large file in Notepad. And it’s really large, at least in my opinion.
Poland mentioned 💪💪💪
