Mitsubishi F-2

[Nagisei]

@Xnekron

And while radar slaved, missile will ignore flares (unless this missiles is 9M or AAM-3, which turn off their seeker completely if they see flare). Since Matra Magic 2 (MM2) has FoV IRCCM which turns on immediately, after launch from 1.5 km it’s almost impossible to dodge it. There is still some chance your flare will appear behind your engine and in 0.75 degrees FoV, but chances are really small.

I know about the seeker but in my experience preflaring still works against radar slaved FoV IRCCM? It’s only after launch the FoV reduces if I remember correctly so you’re safe until you run out of flares

@Xnekron

On F-2 you have disadvantage against, like, everyone. And turnfights are very rare. Completely different situations.

I’ve been turnfighting (against my better judgement) in my F-15J(M) and it’s pretty common amongst other people not participating in BVR and trying to sneak around.

That being said, the only people you are at a disadvantage against are the people at the start who are at high altitude doing BVR, but if you’re already notching by flanking, those people ignore you for other better targets

@Xnekron

It’s bad at proper BVR.

I wouldn’t say it’s not bad, it’s adequate. It still has AESA radar which has really good locking and tracking capability to take advantage of datalink.

@Xnekron

Yes, but on some planes you can win even being in a bad positioning. It’s always depends on many other factors, but still

I don’t disagree

[konngou0224-psn]

@Nagisei

I wouldn’t say it’s not bad, it’s adequate. It still has AESA radar which has really good locking and tracking capability to take advantage of datalink.

And four ARHs. Strangely enough, it is treated as a 120B class. How does it compare to the C-5 or the C-7 that will appear?

[Xnekron]

@Nagisei

It’s only after launch the FoV reduces if I remember correctly so you’re safe until you run out of flares

There is no delay for IRCCM activation, according to missile stats spreadsheet. Also, on MM2 IRCCM suppose to activate right after lock, not even launch. Not sure about last, tho. There was update with this, but no visual indication.

@Nagisei

I’ve been turnfighting (against my better judgement) in my F-15J(M) and it’s pretty common amongst other people not participating in BVR and trying to sneak around.

I don’t see that? I see some people try to flank, but they don’t go into turnfight. They just don’t want to go into missile hell.

@Nagisei

That being said, the only people you are at a disadvantage against are the people at the start who are at high altitude doing BVR, but if you’re already notching by flanking, those people ignore you for other better targets

And these people usually know how to play. How to notch, how to use missiles. Not only they have better position, they also know how to use it.

@Nagisei

I wouldn’t say it’s not bad, it’s adequate. It still has AESA radar which has really good locking and tracking capability to take advantage of datalink.

I played on F/A-18C Late and it’s TERRIBLE at BVR. Too slow, too bad acceleration, too much energy bleeding. F-2 should be better in terms of flight performance (not much tho), but has very limited amount of missiles. You can’t really use your datalink, because in notch you lose enemy lock, and then DL doesn’t work.

[Nagisei]

@Xnekron

There is no delay for IRCCM activation, according to missile stats spreadsheet. Also, on MM2 IRCCM suppose to activate right after lock, not even launch. Not sure about last, tho. There was update with this, but no visual indication.

It’s possible, but I’ve yet to be hit with one yet even through radar lock with ample pre-flaring but who knows

@Xnekron

I don’t see that? I see some people try to flank, but they don’t go into turnfight. They just don’t want to go into missile hell.

Which is fair enough, neither will the F-2 want that so we should naturally run into those folks

@Xnekron

And these people usually know how to play. How to notch, how to use missiles. Not only they have better position, they also know how to use it.

Which is like what you meant though, about:

@Xnekron

On zero you are in a disadvantage position only against guys who know what to do against zero.

@Xnekron

You can’t really use your datalink, because in notch you lose enemy lock, and then DL doesn’t work.

I think the big advantage is against other people who are notching. It’ll be harder for them to notch your radar with its fast sweep and constant tracking, which will help the AAM-4 still use DL to find its mark even when the AAM-4 can’t see the target

@Xnekron

I played on F/A-18C Late and it’s TERRIBLE at BVR. Too slow, too bad acceleration, too much energy bleeding. F-2 should be better in terms of flight performance (not much tho), but has very limited amount of missiles.

I guess that’s also something. F-18C has so many missiles and yet it’s not as strong in BVR thanks to its flight performance. F-2 I’d say is somewhere in the middle

[Shimizu_Haruki]

@Xnekron

You didn’t play on any kfir

It’s enough for me to watch how tournament champions play on it

[hiramu]

@Nagisei

I know about the seeker but in my experience preflaring still works against radar slaved FoV IRCCM? It’s only after launch the FoV reduces if I remember correctly so you’re safe until you run out of flares

Update 2.45.1.61

This has now been changed. It’s all missiles with FoV reduction IRCCM.

All FoV IRCCMs have a narrower field of view after seeker lock, not after launch.

[neko_gorogoro]

The ASM-2 appears to have a lid on the intake, which I believe will separate after launch. Does anyone have any images or other information?
Also, in the video at the URL I mentioned, it seems to fly lower in the air with less smoke and better hit accuracy than DevServer’s ASM-2. What do you guys think?

JASDF F-2A/B Viper Zero / F-2 バイパーゼロ [Fully Translated & 4K Upscaled]

[Zenitchik_130LvL]

Dev server ASM-2 (as well as ASM-1) is literally AS. 34 Kormoran copy. Also sea scimming/ terrain following is not in the game at the moment so it shares trajectory with regular AGMs

[Mikuzume]

I think that music got me acting up

[Shplendyt]

Everyone’s afraid that the F-2 will not be great or even DOA, I dare to disagree. I’ve been using my F-15J(M) with 4x AAM-4 and 4x AMM-3 since I got it and it’s absolutely fine.

Before Typhoons and F-15Es, I would climb, launch my AAM-4s at 40-50 kms, get a few kills, and then dive and use my AAM-3s at closer ranges. I still do that in downtiers. Of course Typhoons and F-15Es outclimb you easily so I don’t climb as often when against 14.0 and preserve my AAM-4s for closer ranges where they are also superior to AMRAAMs due to the AAM-4s instantenous pull right of the rail.

I expect the F-2 to play similarly as I described with the added bonus of being able to dogfight (as rare as it happens) Typhoons and Rafales much easily than with the F-15J(M).

[neko_gorogoro]

Thanks for the reply.
Do you know of any sources or other information that might tell us about the lid and separation of the ASM-2 intake?

[Zulizia]

serious videos trying not to have amazing music challenge: impossible

[Nagisei]

Yea, I’ve also been running 4/4 and have had similar experiences. Though with F-2, I’ll be running 2/4 as it’s the classic ace combat look

[_RODY]

So dev server is now closed and we never got to test the IR ASM-2 nor we got answer about it being capable of locking on tanks…
Pretty dissapointing

[Fireraid233]

Dev blogs simply states for naval targets so i doubt it

Tho ASM-1 was able to hit tanks with help from radar but idk.

[Xnekron]

@Nagisei

I think the big advantage is against other people who are notching. It’ll be harder for them to notch your radar with its fast sweep and constant tracking, which will help the AAM-4 still use DL to find its mark even when the AAM-4 can’t see the target

If you can find smb who’s just going into notch without launching missile into the enemy… In a 1v1 situation usually it’s you launch missile, your enemy launch missile, you both go into notch, then repeat. Until smb run out of missiles or make a mistake.

@Nagisei

I guess that’s also something. F-18C has so many missiles and yet it’s not as strong in BVR thanks to its flight performance. F-2 I’d say is somewhere in the middle

I think on F-2 you shoud not go into BVR at all. You need to flank, go into more close fight and use your slow speed and 14G overload for fast defense when you and your enemy trade your missiles.

@Shimizu_Haruki

It’s enough for me to watch how tournament champions play on it

So, you base your opinion about kfir on a gameplay of top players? It’s so… “Unbiased”. By definition they can perform better on it. It’s like watching Smigol videos of how he goes into dogfight on bombers and think, that everyone can do this and perform like him. I don’t even mention, that if you watching videos, these players can simply include only good battles. Also, if you count all good players in AS tournaments it’s gonna be, like, FIFTY of them? For the whole game.

[_RODY]

ASM-1s track any moving target on ground and water, but they are super unreliable on tanks, loosing lock and missing 90% of the time, the idea for the ASM-2s IR to work on tnaks its to have a reliable lock that would track until the end

[Fireraid233]

It will depend entirely if they wish to allow its IR seeker to find and hit tanks

[_RODY]

Yeah, im just dissaponited that the dev server ended and we never got to know for sure, and that being the only thing keeping me from preordering the ADTW

[Fireraid233]

Im curious if maybe sniper pod could help but i dont think ASM-2 can be slaved by the pod