it may not be the best jet, but its damn beautiful.
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it also appeared in the previous two leak lists, so…
Well, all we can do is cope and hope for the best.
The F-2 coming won’t give us a 14.0, it is just worse then the F-15JM
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Completely depends on what Gaijin does or doesn’t do with it.
If it comes with HMD, AAM-4B, 6 ARH missiles, an actual functioning radar (ala Rafale), then it’s solidly put in 14.0 material.
Having some of those features puts it barely at 14.0, but lacking all of that, then I agree it would be 13.7 at best.
Yea, it’s a high likelyhood but it’s all up in the air (no pun intended). Rafale, EFT, and Hornet got a direct tease in the CM posts (“Keep an eye out for the start of the dev blogs and watch out for extreme weather!” and “We can say that one vehicle in the next major is definitely causing a buzz. We know a great many of you will be eager to get your hands on it and and leave your opponents with a real stinging sensation!”).
Meanwhile for this update, we got: “There will of course be aircraft too, including a rather cool helicopter for the USA and a jet for Japan.”. At least for US we can have a good guess because a cool helicopter puts it as a unique one. For Japan, it’s just they get a jet which could range from any old post war jet to a sub-tree jet to actually F-2 or some other F-15 variant.
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Not sure we will see AAM-4B maybe but i am hoping for extended theoretical loadout capabilities and the planned but so far yet to be seen HMD.
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Yea, who knows. Depends if we get better missiles for others but at the same time, AAM-4B is unique with its seeker that other nations don’t have an equivalent in the near future.
I think just having a decent AESA radar set with HMD will be potent but we’ll see what they do. I’m more interested in flight performance and and A2G loadouts (ASMs against helicopters would be nice).
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We have lots of proof of it not having HMD, with how gaijin models AESAs the -4B won’t be too much better then the 4, and even if it was the F-15J(M) will still also get it, and honestly unless AAM-4s get substantially buffed, having 6 of them won’t put them over the 4+4 arhs of the J(M).
That doesn’t mean anything because Gaijin will do anything for balance. I mean look at the Thai F-16A for recent proof of that.
They might make an exception to the 4B by tweaking it’s sensitivity to chaff and reduced notch angles. They don’t have to model AESA at all.
I think people are arguing that the J(M) itself is a 14.0 plane. Regardless, I think it will always be a sidegrade to the J(M). Where the J(M) has staying and ability to contest, the F-2 would have maneuverability and advantage after the merge. Obviously for air RB something like the J(M) is meta because of 16 vs 16, but as soon as the player count gets lower the meta shifts closer to the planes like the F-2.
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but is the F-2 even capable of carrying more than 4 ARHs? From what I’ve seen (respectively not seen), it doesn’t have such an option
It would be the same exact loadout as F-15JM which itself is under-BR’d as its equals are 14.0.
AAM-3s and AAM-4s.
AAM-4Bs would make it better than all 14.0s, same with AAM-5s.
I of course believe XF-2 is the ideal premium; with only AIM-7s and 9Ls would be interesting, it’s also more plausible as it’s inherently a harder aircraft to research compared to the F-2 itself.
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Dunno, it only has 6 heavy pylons, and 4 light pylons for IR AAMs.
I don’t recall any evidence showing ARHs are usable on more than 4 of the heavy pylons.
and ya all are saying that ooo we need AAM-4B, but the non B version is still underperforming in terms of thrust so what’s the point of adding even something more obscure that Gaijin won’t be able to model correctly
same goes to AESA radar on Rafale and how wrong it is, it should be practically insta-scan and notchless, also multipathing would become non existent
we are already past the point where their rules for adding things to the game don’t apply, because almost every necessary detail for modelling said thing in game will be classified in real life and they will need to go off imaginary shit
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:)
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F-2 would be japans top tier dedicated multi role aircraft, whilst F-15MJ would be the dedicated fighter/anti cas
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That would still go to the F-2 because it would be more maneuverable and capable of 1 vs 1 dogfighting everything it sees with ease.
F-15J(M)'s strength is being able to carry more missile and countermeasures to fight multiple targets and contest areas without having to RTB for fuel/ammo.
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more of a support fighter
There is no direct evidence of this ability, but at least XF-2A was able to carry 6 AIM-7.
They had cracks issue connected to these outer AIM-7, but they claimed that they fixed it. IMO, it’s still able to carry 6 AIM-7/AAM-4, but they decided to not use this loadout to increase operating time. That why I think 6+2 loadout is possible.
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Yeah from my understanding it was planned but it didnt make it to production tho i believe it can count as a theoretical loadout since it seems possible just doesnt happen in current service. Of course i can be completely wrong.
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