No, I mean early, the silver ones without canards and CMS…
Harrier Gr.7 is at 12.3, yes, but has 4 9M’s, and is in general a much more advanced aircraft. Not as fast and no radar though (although Mirage IIS’s TARAN would be utterly useless at that level anyway…
Note A-10C’s have 9M’s at 11.7. Four of them.
A10C barely meets 800 kmph without load, also I seriously believe it should move up in BR.
All the su25’s and A10’s have done since they were added is cause massive compression.
they pushed the mig19 and F104s etc from 10.0 down to 9.3 D: never mind the ones packing all aspects.
bear in mind, you’re comparing a subsonic, heft strike platform, with an incredibly nimble in comparisson air superiority fighter.
The harrier is over Br’d at 12.3 if this gets aim9m equivelants and gets to sit at 11.7
it’s no where near as fast, nor as agile as it should be compared to IRL, Ill try dig up the reports on it but im sure you’ve seen this nonsense come up all the time.
I generally just want stuff to be balanced.
EDIT : just to state, I truly think the 11.0 SU25 with R73s is under BR’d as well.
See why I said im getting confused xD, rightly so with the BR’s you said, realistically the 3E sits at 10.7, if its no CMs, and canards it shouldn’t be as high as the 3E, maybe sit 10.0 as you say with the 3C.
*so many 3C’s 3E’s and 3S’
Personally I hope they “just” give the Mirage the 63/80 (P-3). this would mean it could stay at 10.3.
All aspect and IRCCM would only increase the BR drastically, I guess 11.0 with all-aspect and even higher (I would guess 12.0) with the P-5s. And on that BR it would be very outmatched by other 12.0 with 1. more and better (especially radar) missiles and 2. better flight models.
11.0 would be doable, but I would very much prefer to have it stay at 10.3 with only the 63/80.
Which exact sub variants or airframes were modiefied I do not know.
I only wanted to point out that existing airframes were modified and bring the early IIIS capability into focus by connecting it to IIIC.
I did not mean Mirage IIICS but Mirage IIIS which is of course derived from the C variant.
Especially in game the initial IIIS essentially is a IIIC in practice even if it has AIM-26B instead ofr Matra 530.
I’m talking about getting the single Swiss Mirage IIIC at a Br of 9.7. Having a Mirage III without good missiles at a relatively low Br could be quite fun I think
That is what should have happened with an early Mirage IIIS as it was in service in the 60s and 70s.
It would be similar enough to MiG-21S in capability.
The same should be done to the French IIIC.
All Swiss Mirage that came with the TARAN-18 Radar were modified otherwise the radar would not fit in the cone. The other stuff which was already there from the beginning was the nose wheel to fit into the caverns.
A mirage with good missiles wont be a low BR xD
Why should it be done to the 3C? it does fine at its BR
Not a single airframe crashed or was phased out till retirement?
As I said I was only focused on the differentiation between early and late Mirage IIIS.
Would be more interesting without Magic at a lower Br and good counterbalance for MiG-21S.
Mirage 5F fills the 10.0 gap easily.
No , more compression is not what we need
a mirage 3C at 9.7 would cause more compression. even with aim9Bs its still a mirage
We only had one IIIC, J-2201:
No it isn’t. Switzerland originally wanted the C, but decided to go their own way by insisting on switching to TARAN and Falcons. So it became soon apparent that based on the C this was not possible because of size constraints, so the S then was based on the E instead. (Well you could say the S is based on C via E, which is based on C…)
This all led to a massive explosion in costs, resulting in a reduction of the planned fleet from 100 to only 36 S and 18 RS, and a lot of “rolling heads” up to Federal Council Chaudet.
Also, there is no CS: I never ever heard this designation on connection with Swiss Mirages…
Far from it. Would be closer to say it’s in practice like the 3E, but with FALCOs instead of 530.
Modelled is the KAWEST 85 IIIS, which is the original IIIS, but modified with the C.70 canards (C referring to Canard, 70 referring to the angle of the canards, as various angles were tested, C.70 was then selected), RWR and Chaff/Flares dispenser. As KAWEST happened later, when already the more advanced AIM-9P-3, -4 and-5 were available, the upgraded MIRO’s of course should also get those more modern AAM’s.
Took a quick look into my Mirage III book and you’re right. It wasn’t called CS. I must have had a serious case of Mandela effect then
Thank you for this absolute mine of information sir
Well, for reasons completely out of my understanding, the Mirages kinda have a very special place in my Heart…
;-)
How would that be more compression when jets like MiG-21S are 9.7 already?
To have a unique Mirage IIIC J-2201 in game would be okay for me. It was the test unit out of the standard Dassault production line. It must be noted that it flew only around 200 hours for Swiss Air force.
BR10 would be good
By any chance, was it fun ?