I’m in favour of AIM-9P4. AIM-9B/E/J/P are a bad joke at 10.3 most of the time.
Mirage IIIC suffers because it has Magic 1, Mirage 5 suffers because it has Magic 1, Mirage 5BA has the pelasure of facing 11.3 jets because it has countermeasures and Mirage IIIE faces MiG-23MLD and others becuase it has Magic 1 as well as countermeasures.
Kfir C.2/C.7 suffer because Gaijin overestimates Paython 3 which is about as flare resistant as any R-60.
I bet Mirage IIIS would be 11.7 or 11.3 with AIM-9P5.
ATM it looks a bit Frankenstein style: The airframe with canards and CMS launcher for sure is post KAWEST 85, and would make sense to include AIM-9P-5 and a BR of more than 10.3, I find.
Classic Gaijin.
According to Chat-GPT, the Taran-18 is a PD radar. Is that accurate or is that Chat-GPT being Chat-GPT?
Chat-GPT.
Never heard the TARAN is PD, but I’ll check to confirm…
Nah, my books confirm it’s just a regular monopulse radar without look down capability.
But it did have a Swiss developed EEGS component…
This variant is not used by the French
To early to say. Looks good. Color is a bit off, fonts too.
AIM-9P5 would be correct, not yet accepted
TARAN-18 bug report accepted
No cockpit yet
The question is, what from the radar functions will work
I sent a full documentation of the M3S Radar scope display. Shows every display mode including A2A ground terrain following split mode.
FALCO’s are not working at all, not locking and firing.
Frankly, all Swiss aircraft they added now are pretty Frankensteined atm:
Hunter F.58 (1971) has RWR where it shouldn’t (RWR was added in the upgrade that is represented in the Sqadron Hunter Mk.58) and a terribly ugly camo with sandgrey instead of white, missing or wrong marking, wrong font of ID numbers (again, suitable for the late Sqadron vehicle, not the early vehicle depicted here).
F-5E has a PD radar the real thing never had in the Swiss AF, as far as I could discern by now, but is (similarly to the Mirage), carrying only the AIM-9E’s even though it too is a modernized airframe (leading edge extensions, sharknose), the modernisation took place 1999, so it definitely should have the Flz Lwf LL 63/91 (AIM-9P-5) too, like the Mirage.
F/A-18 early is - again - missing the Flz Lwf LL 63/91 (AIM-9P-5) it carried when the Hornet was introduced in 1996, but has (as is standard in WT), all other weapons the aircraft could theoretically carry, although not a single one of them was ever used by the Swiss AF.
I assume they are confusing to F-5N which was ex-Swiss Air Force model.
Afaik, US Navy bought those F-5s and upgraded radar, cockpit, removed M39 20mm cannons.
Frankly still unsure about the radar, the only metion of the AN/APG-69 in Swiss Tigers I found here: The Northrop F-5 Supersonic Fighter: Everything you need to know - Jets ’n’ Props
“The most recent radar upgrade was the Emerson AN/APG-69, which replaced the AN/APQ-159 and added mapping capability. However, for economic reasons, most nations elected not to modernize, and the radar saw relatively little use in USAF aggressor squadrons and the Swiss air force.”
As to new HUD, I doubt it, seeing even recent images I found of Swiss Tiger’s cockpits stillshow the old, simple sight without any of the more elaborate controls one would associate with a HUD.
Just ordered a book about the Swiss Tigers yesterday, hiopefully it arrives son and will shed some light on the history/development/technology. I’m well equipped with litrature on the Swiss Hunters and Mirages, even know some of the authors of those very detailed and accurate works personally, but not yet on the Tiger, for which strangely there’s little info online…
I have also found there to be very little information on the Swiss Tigers… You can find a lot of info on the procurement/service of the Mirage and even the Hornet, but not the Tiger.
Aside from some common info like the use of the extended LEX and sharknose.
Yes, well I asked now also in a very well informed Facebook group for details and proof of all those questionmarks we have. Members of this group are also many ex Swiss Air Force personnel, pilots, authors of the famous books on Swiss Hunters and Mirages, etc.
Come tho think about it, the ultimately best solution (and very easily to implement for Gaijin), would be to add the pre-KAWEST Mirage IIIS in their bare metal attire, with the FALCO’s and earlier Flz Lwf LL 63/75 (AIM-9E) the current model has, and no RWR, Countermeasures and canards, and modify the current model to carry the later SIWA models.
The early variant could thus be at 10.3 or even 10.7 as the current model is now, the corrected post KAWESt 85 model could be lifted up to 11.7 or even 12.0 (which should anyway happen if they get the AIM-9P-4/5)…
(Note: I worked on exactly that MIRO myself when I was secretary of the Mirage Verein Buochs, a club who owns that aircraft. I even helped paint some of those AIM-9P-5’s…)
To be frankly honest. Swiss Tigers F-5E never saw the use of another HUD. Except the one shown here. My neighbour is former Tiger ground crew.
As part of Alps Peace II (1985) not only new units were acquired, but Swiss Tiger F-5E/F were all fitted with an AN/APG-69 Pulse Doppler Radar and civil ILS receiver which can be easily removed in wartimes. I have it written.
Great! So far apart from the website Imentioned I had no “proof” of the AN/APG-69.
So the Peace Alps II was 1985, not 1999? Or were the sharknsoses / LERX only added in '99?
Still, makes zero sense to have the Tiger with modern PD radar in WT (and at 11.3, where allother tigers have the old radar), but with missiles from 75 and 80, whereas all current images of Swiss F-5E’s clearly show the Flz Lwf LL 63/90 and 63/91…
Btw, please support my report oin the missing missiles on the Tiger here: Community Bug Reporting System
Here is what my doc says
Hm, as I understand it Peace Alps and Peace Alps II only referred to the procurrement of the original and additional aircrat, respectively, not the modernisation program (for which I sadly have no name or details, apart from the sharknose and LERX, and that it took place in 1999…)
Hopefully my newly ordered book will shed some light on this…
