Would be more interesting without Magic at a lower Br and good counterbalance for MiG-21S.
Mirage 5F fills the 10.0 gap easily.
No , more compression is not what we need
a mirage 3C at 9.7 would cause more compression. even with aim9Bs its still a mirage
We only had one IIIC, J-2201:
No it isn’t. Switzerland originally wanted the C, but decided to go their own way by insisting on switching to TARAN and Falcons. So it became soon apparent that based on the C this was not possible because of size constraints, so the S then was based on the E instead. (Well you could say the S is based on C via E, which is based on C…)
This all led to a massive explosion in costs, resulting in a reduction of the planned fleet from 100 to only 36 S and 18 RS, and a lot of “rolling heads” up to Federal Council Chaudet.
Also, there is no CS: I never ever heard this designation on connection with Swiss Mirages…
Far from it. Would be closer to say it’s in practice like the 3E, but with FALCOs instead of 530.
Modelled is the KAWEST 85 IIIS, which is the original IIIS, but modified with the C.70 canards (C referring to Canard, 70 referring to the angle of the canards, as various angles were tested, C.70 was then selected), RWR and Chaff/Flares dispenser. As KAWEST happened later, when already the more advanced AIM-9P-3, -4 and-5 were available, the upgraded MIRO’s of course should also get those more modern AAM’s.
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Took a quick look into my Mirage III book and you’re right. It wasn’t called CS. I must have had a serious case of Mandela effect then
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Thank you for this absolute mine of information sir
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Well, for reasons completely out of my understanding, the Mirages kinda have a very special place in my Heart…
Spoiler
;-)
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How would that be more compression when jets like MiG-21S are 9.7 already?
To have a unique Mirage IIIC J-2201 in game would be okay for me. It was the test unit out of the standard Dassault production line. It must be noted that it flew only around 200 hours for Swiss Air force.
- Cyrano Ibis Radar
- Atar 9B Engine
- 2 × Flz Lwf LL 64 or 2 × Flz Lwf LL 64/75
- Flz Lwf LB 66: AS.30
BR10 would be good
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By any chance, was it fun ?
You do understand for them to move up is a better idea than to add yet more stuff into the mix
I think a lesson was learned because both the subsequent F-5E and F/A-18C were fairly unmodified xD
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Those jets are usually easy enough to kill in the late subsonics and it doesn’t stop there.
There are many 9.3 supersonics of similar calibre.
Compression is an issue but why must Mirage III be ppaced in an unfavourable Br?
It would be more competitive at lower Br without Magic.
This can not be an issue since we already have similar aircraft at 9.7 and below.
those 9.3 super sonics used to be 10.0 E.G mig19
They got moved down Due to the addition of the su25 and A10, it literally compressed from 10.0 all the way down to 7.0 , as all the legacy air craft got moved out of the range of the mig19s, f104s etc etc. at 9.3
Yeah it would be more competitive stomping 8.7s like the venom, or the CL13s ?
no it should not go down below it.
you seem to not grasp that im telling you those air craft bellow 10.0 should be moved up
The advent of the A10 and Su25 completely compressed that entire area.
We do not need yet more planes in the 8.7-9.7 match maker that will cause even more compression.
You’ve used these planes a lot, you know fine well it would destroy the majority if not the entire lobby of 9.7 and down.
the plane Isnt just two missiles
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It is not but you overlook that you wont be changing the compression issue.
In thensituation we have at hand Mirage IIIC would be fine at 9.7 without magic.
It is that simple.
MiG-21S, Milan etc.
The mirage perfromance is better than that.of a milan…
It would.not be fine at all, it would add yet even more pressure, likely either causing the 8.7 bracket to empty even more, causing more uptiers. Or force the 8.7s down.
If you keep adding things to a pile you realise it pushes down.
Again, the platform is not 2 missiles, a mirage 3C is still a fantastic platform.
Not true.
No one said Mirage IIIC is not fantastic but it would be better suited to 9.7.
Do not act as if Gaijin would not adjust Br depending on missiles.
If you want to continue this let’s switch to PM’s.
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They should! Would be crazy to give it all aspect SIWA’a, but keep it so low.
And would be atrocious to not give them those missiles…
The FALCOs / AIM-26`es are really nice . They are slow but they pull nicely if given the chance. Should make it interesting to duel M21s that rely on their R3Rs
Theres nothing to continue at all. There’s no point.
He’s talking about a 3C with aim9B’s at 9.7. which realistically makes no sense, as it would cause more compression.
The mirage that is being implemented should get the right missiles though , like it would make it genuinely a unique plane in of itself rather than just tossed in at 10.3 or 10.7 with generic sidewinders like 9Es, it should get the missiles it used.
Generally I prefer vehicles to have access to their full kit, tehn BR reflect that.
Like what they did with vextra for ages was just wrong, keeping it at 9.7 with the wrong round.
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