“The most recent radar upgrade was the Emerson AN/APG-69, which replaced the AN/APQ-159 and added mapping capability. However, for economic reasons, most nations elected not to modernize, and the radar saw relatively little use in USAF aggressor squadrons and the Swiss air force.”
As to new HUD, I doubt it, seeing even recent images I found of Swiss Tiger’s cockpits stillshow the old, simple sight without any of the more elaborate controls one would associate with a HUD.
Just ordered a book about the Swiss Tigers yesterday, hiopefully it arrives son and will shed some light on the history/development/technology. I’m well equipped with litrature on the Swiss Hunters and Mirages, even know some of the authors of those very detailed and accurate works personally, but not yet on the Tiger, for which strangely there’s little info online…
I have also found there to be very little information on the Swiss Tigers… You can find a lot of info on the procurement/service of the Mirage and even the Hornet, but not the Tiger.
Aside from some common info like the use of the extended LEX and sharknose.
Yes, well I asked now also in a very well informed Facebook group for details and proof of all those questionmarks we have. Members of this group are also many ex Swiss Air Force personnel, pilots, authors of the famous books on Swiss Hunters and Mirages, etc.
Come tho think about it, the ultimately best solution (and very easily to implement for Gaijin), would be to add the pre-KAWEST Mirage IIIS in their bare metal attire, with the FALCO’s and earlier Flz Lwf LL 63/75 (AIM-9E) the current model has, and no RWR, Countermeasures and canards, and modify the current model to carry the later SIWA models.
The early variant could thus be at 10.3 or even 10.7 as the current model is now, the corrected post KAWESt 85 model could be lifted up to 11.7 or even 12.0 (which should anyway happen if they get the AIM-9P-4/5)…
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(Note: I worked on exactly that MIRO myself when I was secretary of the Mirage Verein Buochs, a club who owns that aircraft. I even helped paint some of those AIM-9P-5’s…)
To be frankly honest. Swiss Tigers F-5E never saw the use of another HUD. Except the one shown here. My neighbour is former Tiger ground crew.
As part of Alps Peace II (1985) not only new units were acquired, but Swiss Tiger F-5E/F were all fitted with an AN/APG-69 Pulse Doppler Radar and civil ILS receiver which can be easily removed in wartimes. I have it written.
Great! So far apart from the website Imentioned I had no “proof” of the AN/APG-69.
So the Peace Alps II was 1985, not 1999? Or were the sharknsoses / LERX only added in '99?
Still, makes zero sense to have the Tiger with modern PD radar in WT (and at 11.3, where allother tigers have the old radar), but with missiles from 75 and 80, whereas all current images of Swiss F-5E’s clearly show the Flz Lwf LL 63/90 and 63/91…
Hm, as I understand it Peace Alps and Peace Alps II only referred to the procurrement of the original and additional aircrat, respectively, not the modernisation program (for which I sadly have no name or details, apart from the sharknose and LERX, and that it took place in 1999…)
Hopefully my newly ordered book will shed some light on this…
We know for certain that the RWR Unit mounted in cockpit of the C70 Mirage and Swiss Tiger F5 was (is) IP-1310/ALR. But what we don’t know is what receiver unit is installed AN/ALR-66 potentially but not certain because thats the one that should be on the Swiss Tiger F5.
Currently installed on the Tiger is the AN/ALR-46(V3) which IMHO is wrong too.
Currently installed on the Mirage C70, clearly is wrong because it uses the default Dassault.
Yes, also wondering how the cockpit will look. I hope they don’t go the lazy way and simply give it the IIIE’s 'pit, as they similarly did with the Squadron Hunter Mk.58…
