It is just heavier, the engine is almost identical.
You gain 20 kg/f of thrust on afterburner… that’s a rounding error.
I can’t see 9.3s having any chance against a Mirage IIIE though. It may suffer a bit at 10.7, but what is say an F100D supposed to do to you now? Against a 3C it could at least hope its 9E hits if the Mirage is slightly slow
Why does a 9.3 suffer against a 3E but not a 3C
This is cope by you. You are not stupid enough to think this really matters. If a 3E is slow enough for a 9E to hit it’s also slow enough to be blasted away by any weapon down to .50 cals.
Well that changed quickly… In a downtier the 3C is next to untouchable, of which I have already referred to. However, what is a flareless deltawing supposed to do against 11.3? No RWR or anything that can save you.
because you keep bringing up other mirages, and now you try saying 3E is too strong but clearly don’t have this mentality with the 3C
Only if it maintains speed without giving its ass to missiles, and you can dodge its attacks since it utilizes not so sensitive rear aspect missiles.
It’s too strong for 10.3. The Mirage IIIC’s lack of countermeasures means that a higher BR would make the thing a free kill.
Why, and good reasons this time
Nobody, literally nobody, is suggesting the 3C go up.
Fair point, +0.7BR for 45CM is a bit too much if we consider contemporary jets in American trees
But ehh… That’s a number I can live with…
I had experience with GR.1A(+1.0 for flare) so…
I can bear with it if Gaijin gives me any better missile than AIM-9B for the stock loadout.
9B is too awful for 10.7BR jet I guess.
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I’ve already mentioned why its too strong for 10.3. 9.3s simply can’t do anything to it. Most of the 10.3s are argueably underBR’d (F8U I’m mainly looking at you). The last thing we need is more compression around those battle ratings. At 10.3 an argueably balanced plane is the Mirage 5BA- you get countermeasures but you drop the radar and centreline pylon, while switching the Magic 1s for 9Js.
GR.1A is tragic
But they can deal with a MIG-21SMT? MiG-21MF? F-8U? Mirage 3C? F-1? No logic is here. You haven’t given a real reason why the 3E is better.
Not a real argument for keeping 1 jet at the wrong BR for what gaijin currently has the BRs at. You aren’t on here making posts saying the 21SMT should go up in BR. You’re on here denying the 3E gets a downtier just because you have the thought the 21SMT might be too good for 10.3, despite the 3E being strictly worse than the 21SMT as it is, so it wouldn’t matter regardless…
Cool, so from now on I expect to see nothing but rapid advocation for decompression… because otherwise you’re saying something should be done then doing nothing for it but denying other solutions.
Well AIM-9Es and AIM-26s are okay, but they’re not any different to what Mig-21SMT or F-4C is using, though the F-4C is 10.0 because lack of flares.
@iboopy Give MF Magic 1s and yeah it’d be 10.7… oh wait it is, J-7D.
Also, just to be clear, the Mirage 5BA when compared to the Mirage 3E… is a better aircraft than the Mirage 3E.
Under what grounds? You trade 2 of the better IR missiles at the BR for average ones, while losing the radar and centreline R530? Not entirely sure what the Mirage 5 flight performance is compared to the 3C/E.
3E and SMT are comparable I guess? You should win the dogfight, your Magic 1s are superior to their R60s but you get less, your R530 is superior to their R3R. They are faster than you though, and have more countermeasures. The SMT is a good 10.3 definitely, and should probably be moved up. That whole BR range is messed up and people are
as they have done for years.
Mirage 3E ----- Mirage 5BA
2x Magic ---- 2x 9J
45 CM ---- 60 CM
Almost a ton heavier than the 3C/5BA ----- Almost a ton lighter…
Both have good missiles for rear aspect engagements.
Mirage 3E flight model is significantly worse due to weight.
Both have the same engine…
The 530 does nothing generally speaking.
3E
2x Magic 1
1x Matra R530/530E
5BA
2x AIM-9J
Better flight performance.
Do point out the 15CMs are large caliber. I think the differences are enough for them to be 10.7 and 10.3 respectively.
530s do nothing and aren’t worth bringing up. CM being large caliber also doesn’t when you have less of them to begin with and you’re comparing to standard caliber.
I find them decently effective, even in uptiers with my 3C.
No. SMT is just better.
They are more or less equal in dogfights yet the Mirage suffers far more with energy recover which is extremely important in ARB. The mirage also has half the missiles (530 again, does not matter) and the quality of the magic 1 does not do enough to counteract the r60 being doubled up. At this BR both kill more or less the same.
I don’t think you do. If we had access to what weapon was killing people in your stats, I can pretty much guarantee the 530 makes up less than 5-10% of your kills in the Mirage 3.