Maaayyybe it will be fine if we thinks about F-5E
But unsure about that bc i didn’t unlocked IIIS of mine yet.
And also maybe you might misread that part.
It seems he might think IIIS is better than IIIE bc it has lower BR and using it as one of reason for buffing IIIE down.
It’s extremely mediocre if not getting close to simply bad and not worth playing beyond unlocking it to get the next vehicle… but yeah I guess that qualifies
And an F4 is no mirage. R60s are pretty strong at 10.3 sure they’re no Magic 1, but you get up to 4 of them. Could see the SMT at 10.7, as its flight performance is still good enough for 10.7.
Thats a compression issue, the Mirage IIIC can’t move up as its flareless. In a 9.0 downtier the thing is near untouchable. As for the IIIE, 10.7 isn’t great but I can’t see it going to 10.3 while remaining in a balanced state.
It’s worse than many vehicles currently at 10.3.
Who is asking for the 3C to go up
I think 10.7BR is fine for IIIE, but a little bit of buff for stock loadout might be juicy and won’t hurt much.
Stock grind of IIIC was insane thanks to AIM-9B, and I am quite shunned to try IIIE stock grind while I need to fight against 23ML with 9B. :(
Legacy modification tree is brutal I think.
Why
BC it is IIIC but with RWR and flares?
Seems not a great jet thanks to the insane level of compression, also seems not a bad enough to get buffed down to 10.3
I have a plan to ace it if Gaijin get rid of brutal stock or 23ML
I enjoyed both IIIC and israel one, so I think it will not that bad.
Was talking about the Mirage III BRs, thought I’d shove it in there. As for the 3 CJ, 10.0 fair again as it trades the Magic 1 for longer range IR msls (9Ds)
It is heavier with a better engine though, you do lose a bit of flight performance :)
No, it is a 3C that has FAR worse thrust/weight ratio because it gains over a ton in empty weight but you gain 20 kg/f of thrust on afterburner… that’s a rounding error. It gains a SMALL amount of countermeasures in exchange for this along with the RWR… things you ONLY need because you’re at 10.7 to begin with. At 10.0 a RWR is optional. You’re paying 0.7br to get 45 CMs and a far worse flight model.
Ok but I am only talking about the 3E
It is just heavier, the engine is almost identical.
You gain 20 kg/f of thrust on afterburner… that’s a rounding error.
I can’t see 9.3s having any chance against a Mirage IIIE though. It may suffer a bit at 10.7, but what is say an F100D supposed to do to you now? Against a 3C it could at least hope its 9E hits if the Mirage is slightly slow
Why does a 9.3 suffer against a 3E but not a 3C
This is cope by you. You are not stupid enough to think this really matters. If a 3E is slow enough for a 9E to hit it’s also slow enough to be blasted away by any weapon down to .50 cals.
Well that changed quickly… In a downtier the 3C is next to untouchable, of which I have already referred to. However, what is a flareless deltawing supposed to do against 11.3? No RWR or anything that can save you.
because you keep bringing up other mirages, and now you try saying 3E is too strong but clearly don’t have this mentality with the 3C
Only if it maintains speed without giving its ass to missiles, and you can dodge its attacks since it utilizes not so sensitive rear aspect missiles.
It’s too strong for 10.3. The Mirage IIIC’s lack of countermeasures means that a higher BR would make the thing a free kill.
Why, and good reasons this time
Nobody, literally nobody, is suggesting the 3C go up.
Fair point, +0.7BR for 45CM is a bit too much if we consider contemporary jets in American trees
But ehh… That’s a number I can live with…
I had experience with GR.1A(+1.0 for flare) so…
I can bear with it if Gaijin gives me any better missile than AIM-9B for the stock loadout.
9B is too awful for 10.7BR jet I guess.