gaijin would likely never do that
thatll happen when pigs fly
the mirage IIIC went down in br so it could face F86 F2s with 35G undodgeble missiles
I think it should.
The F4C is a complete bus. It lacks countermeasures, bad missiles, no internal gun (has to carry gunpod), has a bad FM, and has a crappy radar.
If any of you have used the 7E’s, you know they aren’t great, but unlike the Aim-7D’s, they are actually usable. Tho aircraft has enough tradeoffs that I could see it getting 7E’s if it got them IRL. It would make it so that way Mig-21’s with R3R’e and Mirage 3’s with the R530 are not the only aircraft that can somewhat engage in BVR.
The F4C is abysmal, and this won’t break the game. It’s not hard to counter and will make it more useful.
+1
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Said radar missile is 15g and not pd meaning a single chaff and its useless. I can count on my hands how many kills ive gotten with it and ive got a pretty decent kd in the thing.
Is the mirage 3c a little powerful, yes. Should it move up, maybe. Can it move up, no. Even slight uptiers and your facing jets that straight up out perform you with no way of running away such as the mig 21mf.
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The e2 is WAY too powerful to be seen bellow 11.0. Just look at the f4e and how good it is, its a fantastic jet to fly and is probably in a similar boat to the mirage 3c where it cant move up but is a little powerfull.
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I would be perfectly happy if it got 7es, use em on my f4j and they are usable. Not great but not the worst either. They just have a massive minimum launch distance of 4km if they manoeuvre at all.
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The aim7e would move the f4c up in br. That puts it against more jets with all aspect missiles.
only if you drop chaff… its not a pulse doppler radar and even if it was you could switch to pulse
It wouldn’t move up in br and that’s the point.
The missiles wouldn’t be useful most of the time. 7E’s are not very good missiles. At that BR, they are good, but with the radar the F4C has, they will not be overpowered or anything of that nature. Decent missiles on a crappy platform is basically what it will be.
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That would make sense probably
Sadly, but wouldn’t that be good?
Arent they basically the e2 but with guidance delay?
Guidance delay, way wore maneuvering, tendency to randomly blow up.
They are significantly worse than the 7E-2’s. The will also be on a worse platform.
Outside of the guidance delay, it is the same as the E2.
That is just aim7s i think. They have a mind of their own at times.
The aim7d works decently. The aim7e would be an upgrade for it. It would either go up in br or further compress the mm.
i specified multiple times not the E2 the regular E model of AIM-7
EDIT : i put it in bold
not really the problem is within 6 miles you run into a problem the AIM-7D does have a guidance delay same as the AIM-7E but the AIM-7E pulls way harder once the delay is over if you look its 15G vs 25G the best way to dodge a AIM-7D is literally flying in straight line sometimes as the missile does not have the manuverbility to hit at certain head on angles it the AIM-7E if fired at a off bore angle has significicantly better chance then the AIM-7D
Well, if the F-4C goes guns means it has pod. If it has pod , means it loses performance anyway. M3C , doesn’t have to pull 30Gs to get behind it and throw all it’s energy. It just needs to pull enough to get to position…If it was 4E even slatless or FG/FGR (big freaking engines) is another story. 4C has nothing against a M3C except parying for opponents mistakes (which doesn’t make it better as a vehicle in comparison).
In a joust with AIM-7s and 530s…Let’s say 4C may have an advantage because you have 4 of them to throw, M3C has 1 , if opponent evades that’s that. F-4C can keep poking you even if the missiles don’t hit.
The problem with 4C in general is … If you give them 7E , give it 9J/P and IRCM pod as well and toss it to 10,3 or something. It will still be bad in uptiers, but better as an experience as a plane.
You can’t just give it 7E in 10.0 because that’s an auto don’t fly high for the opponents. Even 7E when fired on parameters is deadly without chaff and avoidance…
its a very noticble chunk btw unlike the almost unotcible smidge you loose from a flare pod on like a MIG 21 SAU
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Yup. Give it aim7e and i will be happy spamming the f4c out and smacking anything that wants to climb.
Would be like the original f4e vs mig21bis meta. Not very fun for anyone.
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yeah the F4C really can only do one thing well climb and intercept so it being good at high altitudes like its literally designed to it can go figure