Well, It seems this topic is now burning hot
in the level of flares or afterburner level
IMO, as long as we have F1CT with better RWR,
I think it will be fine to remove Magic-2 on the original F1C and buff BR drastically.
Super 530F SARH is just a joke missile (flying fine but will defeated by a ‘single’ chaff drop)
and Mirage Detectour RWR is dumb enough that every F1C driver complained about when nasty F-14A IRIAF exploited the BR compression.
I think F1C shouldn’t and wouldn’t share the same BR with F-4S if they don’t have Magic-2.
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Well said, I am more on the decompression team than the moving down team but that is a very well laid out argument.
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Even if the just fixed the chaff filter, it would be fine at the BR. Fiddly, but fine. The RWR is a bit of a pain, but you can work with it. But with the lack of effective armament for longer ranged options, the downsides just hurt too much to justify 12.0 imo. I’d be more for fixing the missile, but if they won’t then decompression is the better solution, but they won’t so moving it down is the more immediate solution.
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Jaguar IS with Magic 2 is quite an overrated plane thanks to awful flight characteristics.
nearly nobody but a masochist flew with that DOA plane when it was 11.0 compared to F-4S and F1C in 11.3
when the British could utilize much of Guided bomb carriers such as Jaguar GR.1A/Bucc S.2B for Challenger 1 or Tornado GR.1/Harrier GR.7 for Challenger 2.
Magic-2 itself is a marvelous missile but Sadly, Jaguar fuselage is just not enough to reach her full potential.
Best 12.0 plane is suffering sooooo much, yeah sure. Troll thread.
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The MiG-23ML/mld but this one’s packing working SARH and some serious attitude but the R-24R? Oh man, this missile is nuts You’ve got two of them in your pocket, and that’s two free kills, maybe one if you’re a little off. Seriously, a R-24R at under 10km is like playing a game of laser tag but the enemy doesn’t even know you’re aiming.
Then you’ve got the R-24T This thing is insane at 11.7 Yeah, it doesn’t have IRCCM(thank God), but being able to shoot from 6-7 k behind someone without triggering their warning system is like pulling off a stealth move in a 90s action movie. No one sees it coming. It’s like a missile with a built-in jump scare. And while the nerfs hit the MiG-23s hard, the MiG-23MLD still has one of the best rates outruns below 12.3 making it a top-tier fighter
Also, let’s not forget the high speed. 1470 km/h? That’s pretty solid especially for a fighter at this BR Throw in the R-60M and you’ve got something that’s good in almost any fight, whether it’s dogfighting or chasing someone down.
The MiG-23ML/MLD is deadly It’s still one of the best rate-of-turn fighters below 12.3 BR and packs missiles that can hit like a truck, especially when you’re using those R-24 Just don’t forget to keep that speed high, and you might just be the top dog at 11.7
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The jag’s alright with magic 2s now. The agility is completely good enough to utilise them, aside from the fact you fight F5s which apparently can just one tap flare magics lol
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Gaijin is craving for overrating IR missiles too much.
and Don’t give a damn about decompression, or fixing the features from minor nations
I agree with you that one of all three options might be fine
- fix the Super 530F to the real super one
- decompress the BR and make F1C less facing 4th-gen
- or just buffing BR directly.
but eh… Will Gaijin really going to care about F1C?
As a joke, I can’t wait when F1C will reach 12.3
while F-4S goes 11.7 because ‘it has AIM-9G!!’
by silly statistics balancing.
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oh, good to hear.
When I flew with her at 11.0 and compete with F1C or F-4S which were 11.3
It was damn hard to spade her with my bare hand.
when it was compressed more than now. :|
I love your analogy, but I wouldn’t rely so much on the R60M’s. You can have a guy take a shit off of his canopy while going full AB, and it’ll ignore the plane and lock that falling dookie.
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Yeah, it was rough on release. Really shows how much good decompression does.
So we’ll never see it at toptier.
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it’s not because of that. it’s because the f-4s needs to have good reviews or otherwise it wont sell.
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lmao yeah f5s are weird man yeah, unless you go Stright behind them f5s they can flare magic2 from said aspect at close range just park at their 6 and shot it want be flared
You’d think so, wouldn’t you.
Sometimes they just decide that nah, today’s the day they’ll flare from point blank rear aspect.
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pov r60m: hey look falling dookie i must go and check it out wooooh ahh missile
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its because the pov of magic2 is 0.75 so parking on someone 6 is always will make 0.75 pov can’t see anything but the plane while shot from the side on they can let flare sneak in and flare it
i was grinding the a10c today and man the amount of f4s die so fast is crazy that why it br is going to go down even Tho f4s has the best missile loadout in the br range aside from f14
the r530f is actually can tank a lot of chaff before it goes dumb Irl but the snail said not yet i guees
attention to the map!!! ahh players