The thing isn’t even the best 11.7.
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So you think Mig-23MLD can have R-73s at 11.7? Cause that’s what you’re arguing with F-1C. Same exact 4 missile loadout at that point.
moving it down .3 Br wouldn’t make it op it would just face less radar missile busses that hard counter it every uptier. Also there isn’t a huge variety of 12.0s being mostly pd phantoms and some tornados which are fine at their br so I think the F1C sits with the F-104asa and the Kfir C.7 as the worst 12.0s.
So you also think Mig-23MLD with R-73s is 11.7 capable?
Except mig-23 has better flight performance, much faster speed, better radar and rwr and radar missiles that work much better.
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no
How bad is the Mirages RWR? I highly doubt that it is worse than SPO-10 that’s on the MiG-23ML and MLA.
Mig-23MLD has an effectively identical RWR and radar, similar radar missiles, marginally better flight performance, similar top speeds, and far less countermeasures.
4 segments, only pulse or CW indicators. No launch warning.
Can’t remember how that compares to the Mig 23, but there’s your info on it.
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Also no track warning
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There’s also the 11.3 F-5E FCU with greater flight performance, easier to use cannons, significantly better RWR, though it lacks SARH missile. But you are effectively missing SARH with F1C unless you’re facing the blindest of players. Oh and also F5’s natural weirdness for locking IR aams on it.
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You can work it out from pulse/cw indicators, same way you work out the launches. But yeah, they don’t make it easy to know without looking at it.
Python 3 and AIM-9L are vastly inferior to Magic 2s.
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Pythons are just slightly better aim-9ls they don’t compare with magic 2s
Didn’t they get dual plane for their guidance? I don’t really care about Israeli missiles. Thought they ended up similar dual plane effectiveness, just minus IRCCM. At least, that’s what I was told.
Seems I was lied to reading up on it.
It is not, it is useless, you face Su-27, MiG-23ML, F-15, MiG-29, F-16… even the EJ Kai does better than the F1C-200.
Magic 2 is goated, but the 530F will go for chaff, 530 wont even try and then you have an airframe comparable to a phantom, i played the plane over 300 games. it is BAD
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2x Magic I plus center R.530 is the load-out found at 10.7 in the Mirage IIIE, assume each Super 530F is +0.3 BR and you have a 11.3 fighter.
Compared with J-8B at 11.3, same amount of IR missiles that are both very good but have trade offs to each other. Each have primary 2 radar missiles, Aspide is better than R.530F. Center R.530 makes up for worse radar missiles.
Compared with JA37C at 11.3, JA37C has more IR missiles, but they are worse. JA37C has same amount of primary radar missiles, JA37C has better radar missiles. R.530 and CM count make up for missile quantity difference.
If given Magic Is instead of Magic IIs the Mirage F1 is a 11.3 fighter.
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Mig-23ML has worse IR missiles and performs identically otherwise.
The rest of those aircraft aren’t 12.0 or less.
EJ Kai is 12.3 and under-BR’d with worse IR missiles.
So Mig-23ML to 11.3? Okay… -_-
“Compress the BRs!” - Your post, whether you intend it to have that meaning or not.
That is not the intended meaning of my post. I compared it to other 11.3 fighters and came to the conclusion it would be well balanced at 11.3 if given Magic Is. If you disagree with this please give me your reasoning rather than entirely dismissing my post.
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Alvis making up rubbish to be contrarian always seems to be the order of the day.
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